(In reply to comment #69) > (In reply to comment #66) > > > Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in > > France? Like slashdot.org or smth... > > There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the > final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
But this has the same pitfall as any volunteered survey, it isn't any kind of representative. I for example myself barely ever read a linuxfr article, and wouldn't participate or even see a survey there. That doesn't mean I'm not a French fr/oss user :) Also note that people suffering from the situations are a lot more likely to do something and speak their mind than people perfectly happy with the situation. So probably "discussing" a problem is likely to only include opinion from people not happy with the current state, and people closely involved. > I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices > but Just to be fair, I see *no one* else here arguing towards keeping right Ctrl Level5 modifier -- but sure, as I state above, people happy with it won't see the discussion or care, so it may be biased. > 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a > lot more hate mail If it broke people's apps (or apps broke with it, I don't care who's fault it is), I surely can understand people being angry. But similarly, since the change from this report broke people's right Ctrl key, I can understand they get angry. > 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is > modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of > this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a > few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization And we thank you for your work. But I don't think it's realistic to think everyone can "choose the previous behavior" if it means editing the keymap. I already said it, but it took me quite some time to find what caused my right Ctrl key to no longer work and fix it, and I think it's fair to consider myself a quite advanced user. If really reverting the addition of Level5 is not an option (but see below), please add an alternative layout. > 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols > which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not > the same as C code). The change in this particular report did not add or remove any symbol, it only moved one to Level5 because some apps couldn't handle <Ctrl>Space with this layout. And as I said earlier, most of the incriminated apps (at least that I know of) don't even use <Ctrl>Space anymore, rendering the change moot for them. And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46). Also note that event though I admittedly don't use short-nbsp (I'm afraid I don't know the rules where this one should be used in French typography), I'm an heavy user of nbsp everywhere French typography tells me to do it. So no, I don't want to remove anything, don't worry -- but I'd like my right Ctrl key back :) > It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you > do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting > corners It sure is, but although my nearly non-existent knowledge of keymaps may make my message somewhat irrelevant (e.g. I don't know how to apply my ideas), I investigated possible solutions in comment #46 -- although no one followed up on those. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard Status in central project for keyboard configuration: Confirmed Status in “xkeyboard-config” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” source package in Precise: Fix Released Bug description: Since the version 2.5-1ubuntu1.2 of the package xkb-data, the right CTRL key of the keyboard has ceased to work. The problem started when APT has updated the xkd-data from 2.5-1ubuntu1 to 2.5-1ubuntu1.2. If I switch back to 2.5.-1ubuntu1 using Synaptic, it works back. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 Package: xkb-data 2.5-1ubuntu1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-25.40-generic 3.2.18 Uname: Linux 3.2.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu9 Architecture: amd64 Date: Sat Jun 16 00:16:09 2012 Dependencies: DistUpgraded: Fresh install DistroCodename: precise DistroVariant: ubuntu InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release amd64 (20120425) Lsusb: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 003: ID 17ef:1003 Lenovo Integrated Smart Card Reader MachineType: LENOVO 4243E69 PackageArchitecture: all ProcEnviron: TERM=xterm PATH=(custom, no user) LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-25-generic root=UUID=f6981326-31fd-4eaf-b039-3a1e5f33dbc0 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 SourcePackage: xkeyboard-config UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) dmi.bios.date: 12/06/2011 dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO dmi.bios.version: 8AET56WW (1.36 ) dmi.board.asset.tag: Not Available dmi.board.name: 4243E69 dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO dmi.board.version: Not Available dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information dmi.chassis.type: 10 dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO dmi.chassis.version: Not Available dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnLENOVO:bvr8AET56WW(1.36):bd12/06/2011:svnLENOVO:pn4243E69:pvrThinkPadT520:rvnLENOVO:rn4243E69:rvrNotAvailable:cvnLENOVO:ct10:cvrNotAvailable: dmi.product.name: 4243E69 dmi.product.version: ThinkPad T520 dmi.sys.vendor: LENOVO version.compiz: compiz 1:0.9.7.8-0ubuntu1 version.ia32-libs: ia32-libs 20090808ubuntu36 version.libdrm2: libdrm2 2.4.32-1ubuntu1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri: libgl1-mesa-dri 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental N/A version.libgl1-mesa-glx: libgl1-mesa-glx 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1 version.xserver-xorg-core: xserver-xorg-core 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.2 version.xserver-xorg-input-evdev: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.7.0-0ubuntu1.2 version.xserver-xorg-video-ati: xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.14.99~git20111219.aacbd629-0ubuntu2 version.xserver-xorg-video-intel: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-0ubuntu1~xup1 version.xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.16+git20111201+b5534a1-1build2 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
