Hello Javier, I also experienced difficulties with students (and teachers) coming from the Excel world. The main difficulty comes from the fact that Scilab is more a programing language than an integrated worksheet editor. That's why students frequently ask: "where are my variables ?" because they were used to work with a "data-centric" software (in such a situation I tell them to look at the "variable navigator").
In fact the best way to gather everything in one place is to write programs. If you work mostly on the command line then your are rapidly in trouble when you want to "replay" a complex sequence of commands no ? Having a system which saves everything as you request won't help students to learn how to be efficient in their use of Scilab. For example, for graphics, it is better to teach them to write a script that produces the graphics than telling them to save the graphics itself, don't you think ? Let me give you another example: a typical situation when you use Scilab by executing scripts and also use the command line to execute complimentary commands, is when your scripts runs successfully because they use a variable that you defined on the command line and not in the scripts themselves. In that case the students will tell you: "professor, I am sure that my program worked perfectly yesterday, and today it yields an error". So yes, saving everything will solve the problem, but it won't help students to learn a bit of clean programing. S. Le 21/02/2023 à 17:32, javier ignacio carrero mantilla a écrit : Here are some "save"-related bug reports that I found broken in 6.0<https://users.scilab.narkive.com/2lKhBS9y/scilab-save-and-sod-broken-in-scilab6> load broken<https://gitlab.com/scilab/scilab/-/issues/16013> broken hdf5<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/1765503> But more than a bug report my suggestion is to include in the "environment" to be saved everything: variables, code, plots In my experience "Save/environment" saves the variables only, but the plots are lost on using "load" Code is not saved, it has to be done by separate in Scinotes And so on ... El mar, 21 feb 2023 a la(s) 08:11, COUVERT Vincent (vincent.couv...@3ds.com<mailto:vincent.couv...@3ds.com>) escribió: Hi Javier, Do you mean the “File/Save environment…” menu in Scilab? Since there is a lot to specify here, what do you think about starting with a bug report to see what can be done? Best regards, Vincent From: dev <dev-boun...@lists.scilab.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.scilab.org>> On Behalf Of javier ignacio carrero mantilla Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 10:03 PM To: List dedicated to the development of Scilab <dev@lists.scilab.org<mailto:dev@lists.scilab.org>> Subject: [Scilab-Dev] save fix The "save" action in Scilab should be recast to save all in a single file, that is, memory, code, history, plots, xcos entities, etc. all in a single container file. This way, by loading a single file Scilab will recover its status when "save" was applied. This unified save action will be much more logical and comfortable than the current mixture of "saves", and it will give Scilab an edge over their competitors. Reasons Users, myself included, tend to save scilab matrices and plots by copying them into excel files. It seems absurd, until considering that * Scilab paradigm is incongruent, it has separate ways to save code (sci, sce text files), variables (current "save" function), and so on; despite the fact that they belong to the same session. * Recovering variables requires separate loads, with the constant risk of omissions, overlappings, and losing the information due to hidden bugs. * This Scilab's incongruencies have scared, and are scaring away students (i.e. future users), to the point that some of them end using Excel only. In all, numerical calculations with spreadsheet formulas and code are horribly confusing, but at least Excel shows all the information at a glance. P. D. It is heartwarming that Scilab is back in 2023. Aviso legal: El contenido de este mensaje y los archivos adjuntos son confidenciales y de uso exclusivo de la Universidad Nacional de Colombia. Se encuentran dirigidos sólo para el uso del destinatario al cual van enviados. 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