You won't see the issue if you use the flash script, because the flash script syncs w/ the computer. Certificates will break when the year of the device is wrong. We have several bugs tracking parts of the time issues. We had this discussion before, I thought there was one on the Year picker showing all the way back to 1980. Since I couldn't find it, I created a new one.*Bug 867285* <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867285> -[Settings] Changing the date and time shows years previous to 2013.

The following are other open Time issues:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820696 - [ Settings] If time is set to automatically, we should have some UI showing what Timezone is being selected <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827301>

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810217 - [System] Timezone is not set automatically <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810217>

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826285>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826285 - Use automatic detection off the phone to determine a correct default timezone in the FTE Date & Time screen <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826285>

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809633 - Time does not update automatically when registered on a network with only emergency calls <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809633>

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853152 - Manually entered time zone information lost when switching to automatic time and back again <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853152>

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826890 - [B2G][Settings][Date & Time] If the user manually sets the year to be 1979 or earlier, or 2039 or later then the date and time will be different than the user specified. <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826890>

*Bug 804819* <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804819> -[settings]Should allow edit the "year" when setting up Date and Time

Regards,
Naoki

On 4/30/13 10:48 AM, Andreas Gal wrote:
Timezone override makes a lot of sense. Manually setting time and
allowing any time/date before today ... does not.

Andreas

Sent from Mobile.

On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:37, Dave Hylands <dhyla...@mozilla.com> wrote:

Personally, I don't think we want to remove the manual stuff.

I know when I'm travelling, I often don't have any of the automatic methods 
available (i.e. my prepaid sim doesn't work in Eurpoe), and I like to change 
the timezone while I'm on the plane. Free Wifi seems to be much more uncommon 
in the European airports than it is in North America.

GPS gernally doesn't give you a timezone (although there isn't any reason it 
couldn't since you should be able to use a timezone map). Although if you lived 
in a timezone border town, you probably wouldn't want your time flipping every 
time you go shopping either.

Dave Hylands

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Gal" <andreas....@gmail.com>
To: "Alex Keybl" <ake...@mozilla.com>
Cc: dev-g...@lists.mozilla.org, dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org, "Cheng Wang" 
<c...@mozilla.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:26:08 AM
Subject: Re: [b2g] Feedback from Telefonica internal dogfooding program

The date issue is definitely a problem. I have seen it myself
repeatedly. I still think we should delete all the manual date/time
setting code and rely on the many time sources we have available
instead (NITZ, NTP, GPS).

Andreas

Sent from Mobile.

On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:22, Alex Keybl <ake...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I'll try to address the most critical here, and if we should be
concerned for v1.0.1.

* 3G stops working after a while (8 hours? One day?)
* Short battery life (a few mentions that it got worse with
update), this might also be issues with charging since we had
those at MWC with Geeksphones.
* Phones stuck in 1980 (which causes errors with marketplace,
https sites, and others)
Likely hardware/build/changeset specific. We should be confident in
our testing as well as partner longevity/field testing for v1.0.1
here.

* After saving an app (may be web app?) to the desktop, it works
the first time but hangs after future attempts (lots of mentions
of twitter)
* Problems handling a time change (clocks off by an hour, alarms
firing wrong)
Would be more interesting if we're able to reproduce these (or had
steps to reproduce). Do we have contact info?

-Alex

On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Cheng Wang <c...@mozilla.com> wrote:

Feedback on Keons and Peaks from Telefonica's dogfooding program
(mostly Peaks, I think, but I don't have the solid numbers).
Most of these came from users who'd updated to the 20130404
build (I think this is a build that TEF is handing out?), I've
tried to take out the feedback from users still on 20130222 (this
was the build shipping with the phones). A few users have
20130416 or 20130418 (this is the current GP build).

Fair warning, this is interpreted from text that was machine
translated from Spanish so details may be missing/incorrect.

I got a ton of feedback from them so pretty much everything here
got mentioned at least a few times.

Concerning things:

* 3G stops working after a while (8 hours? One day?)
* After saving an app (may be web app?) to the desktop, it works
the first time but hangs after future attempts (lots of mentions
of twitter)
* Lots of trouble with the back button, this came up almost as
frequently as the tiny fonts on the Peak, easily dozens of times.
* Short battery life (a few mentions that it got worse with
update), this might also be issues with charging since we had
those at MWC with Geeksphones.
* Phones stuck in 1980 (which causes errors with marketplace,
https sites, and others)
* Problems handling a time change (clocks off by an hour, alarms
firing wrong)

Bugs (things are broken/feel broken):
* Fonts, buttons are too small (likely a Peak resolution problem)
-- This one got mentioned so many times, in particular Here maps
which can't zoom and browser
* Persistent update for Here Maps that won't go away.
* 3G stops working after a while (8 hours? One day?)
* Calendar entries duplicated (not sure why)
* Black screens were reported a few times from different usecases
* "Taking the phone in airplane mode, open the notification center
to remove airplane mode, I am asked the pin but does not hide the
notification center and this is therefore covering up the option
to accept."
* Didn't handle a time change correctly (clock in notification bar
is correct, clock on home screen isn't, alarm at the wrong time)
* Import from SIM stalls out (maybe only during first run)
* Outgoing SMSes sometimes get weird characters appended (may be a
problem with the SIMs that they're using)
* Undefined MAC address
* Even though specific Facebook contacts were selected, all
contacts were downloaded
* After saving a web app to the desktop, it works the first time
but hangs after future attempts (may explain the twitter problem
above)
* Camera flash settings are odd (there are four states but three
symbols and the symbols don't necessarily match with behavior)
* Browser sometimes comes up blank
* Lots of WiFi issues: often need to reenter passwords, may need
to reboot to switch between connections, can't seem to connect
automatically.
* "There was an error synchronizing your Facebook Contacts" once a
day.
* SMSs take a long time to be received (may meaning before we
notify?)

Annoyances:

* Back button hard to hit reliably (too small, sometimes hits
notification bar, too far to reach)
* Moving the cursor when editing text is too hard
* Won't update reliably (may just be Here maps)
* Music stops playing when music app loses focus
* Settings > Date Time > Doesn't always show the current time
zone.
* Importing both Facebook and Google contacts gets names messed up
(possibly if people are maybe using different names?) -- Can't
put custom name on imported contacts or merge contacts into a
single name
* Cannot disable autorotate or force it for some apps
* Can't zoom the browser (may be that users are trying to do it
wrong)
* Hangs when using it as a hotspot "after a while"
* Video recorded is a crop of what's actually displayed
* Too easy to tap notification bar buttons when trying to close
the bar
* Cannot change browser search engine (came up multiple times)
* Applications aren't keeping state between launches so it doesn't
seem to be multitasking.
* Really short battery life (or possibly issues charging) --
complaints that this started after the update.
* A lot of people seem to have clocks set at 1980 (which makes
HTTPS not work)
* Some things aren't translated to spanish
* Can't configure screen timeout (my Peak has a setting for this
but I can't tell if it's working)
* Dailer shouldn't beep when phone is silent
* Keyboard requires a lot of precision
* No volume in music apps
* Changing SIM password is confusing (no feedback)
* Calendar alerts for "right now" when it means "in 15 minutes"


Feature requests:

* Smart keyboard capitalization (caps for first letter in names
for example)
* Change user agent so we stop getting offered android apps
* Cursors (password fields, entering SIM unlocks etc)
* Volume for radio (this came up a surprising amount)
* Enable USB storage mode by default
* Need a game built in (lots of suggestions)
* More apps need to be offline
* Needs a file manager and downloading of files in the browser
* Needs more homescreens
* Capslock
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