Hi Kevin.

On 07.08.2014, at 13:45 , Kevin Everets <[email protected]> wrote:
> Unfortunately, it can be a bit tricky to put a work in the public domain, and 
> doing so tends to require an actual grant or release.  Wikipedia has some 
> info on it here: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Granting_work_into_the_public_domain
> 
> The recommendation there is to use a CC0 license to have the desired effect.

Ah ok, I’m not a lawyer myself, and just use CC-0 and public domain to mean the 
same thing. Do you think we should an explicit CC-0 text to our image tile data?

> Why is it that Mozilla doesn't want to get into the business of hosting the 
> world base map?  Though there's a wide variety of choice out there, as you 
> noted there would be advantages to creating combined tiles for the purposes 
> of stumbling.  There are other places that I could see a base map being very 
> useful, especially in FirefoxOS.  An HTML5 "map" element would have to 
> acquire the tiles from somewhere, and why should Mozilla not be an option for 
> that?

It comes down to a question of focus and limited resources. We cannot do 
everything at Mozilla. With openstreetmap there already is a vibrant open 
community and choice between commercial vendors around mapping and we cannot 
really add anything to that community at this point. For this particular 
project, we’d rather focus on the cell/wifi data that is specific for the 
geolocation purpose and not get into the broader area of mapping, points of 
interest data or any of the related domains.

> Having one map provider for Mozilla built binaries and a different provider 
> for community built binaries bothers me a bit, and feels like it goes against 
> the ethos (as I understand it) of Mozilla.

It’s certainly a gray area. We need to limit what we do with Mozilla resources. 
To my knowledge we generally don’t host community websites on our own 
infrastructure or allow community members to run services on our 
infrastructure. You can argue about whether hosting map tiles is more similar 
to such general infrastructure tasks, or if it’s something more specific for 
this particular project.

In concrete terms we’d need to spent the time to learn about tile servers, how 
to operate and run them, how to fit them into our infrastructure, how to update 
their data based on the openstreetmap source and how to style the maps. I think 
none of that is core to this project and it would take away time from our small 
team. I think that time is better spent on working on the core problem of this 
project.

>  What parts of the stumbling app do you feel should be altered to better 
> reflect Mozilla's style guide?  That page only seemed to indicate Tabzilla 
> and the Open Sans Light font, but I don't think either are used for Fennec 
> (though I could be wrong).  A Tabzilla-like feature would be more work, but 
> we could change the font if required.  Are there any other elements that 
> would be worth examining?

That page was only meant as an entry point to the style guide. There’s many 
more sections in it. I should have linked to the landing page at 
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/.

The style guide specifically addresses websites and presentations, but has no 
dedicated section on apps. I think there’s a good amount of flexibility in what 
you can take from the guide, and to what extend the unique nature and 
requirements of the app should drive its UI. But I’m really not a designer / UI 
person.

Hanno
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