Yes, I agree. We use what works, which is why we're still using an NT mail
server...
The errors the original poster posted:
> > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that
> your
> > locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = (unset) are supported and
> > installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard
> locale
> > ("C"). Unable to locate winsock library!
are the sort of thing we saw repeatedly on our W2K OSRS web server. Not that
exact error, but all sorts of weird perl errors, especially about sockets.
And we also were getting tons of "Envelope Protocol Not Supported" using the
OSRS scripts. Usually just clicking refresh, the command would go though on
the second or third attempt which makes no sense. If there is a bug in the
script, it would happen the same way every time. We would get tons of
complaints from customers about our unstable domain management area and
after working with OSRS support and finding no real reason for the errors,
we finally gave up. We were using the lastest patched version of IIS 5 and
Active Perl, which is a good quality PERL that I know works very well on NT,
but for some reason it was unpredicatable on our W2K installation. In the
end, we spent about a week and ran up a new web server using Linux. Since
then, not a single problem... The potential to save money on support costs
easily outweighs the learning curve.
And, again, my main point was that, now that I've learned how to admin a
Linux system, I can't believe I spent so much time struggling with the
cumbersome tools that MS provides for Windows. Stability, performance, and
security aside, I've found the system to simply be easier to use. But,
that's just my experience. If you're happy with NT and it works for you,
then I'm not suggesting you change. It was just a suggestion for the
original poster who seems to be going through the same things we did on W2K.
-Eric P.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn W. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Eric Paynter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Any Clues?
> Eric,
>
> My point is that Linux isn't the only answer -- and I wouldn't recommend
> switching from NT to Linux just for OpenSRS based on my experience.
>
> I'm not exactly a microsoft lover either: our web servers run NT, but we
> don't run IIS because of the security issues.
>
> ... and of course, never argue with anything that works. NT works fine
here,
> Linux works fine there. Your mileage may vary.
>
> -- Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Paynter
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:41 AM
> To: WebWiz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Any Clues?
>
> I agree with you both that NT4 is a good quality, stable OS. Due to it's
> maturity, it is far more predicatable than W2K. I was an NT system
> administrator for about 5 years before discovering Linux. My points were:
>
> 1. W2K is prone to bizarre and inexplicable errors.
> 2. Linux is easier to administer than any flavour of Windows (once you're
> over the learning curve)
> 3. Windows is easy to learn, but cumbersome to use.
>
> My suggestion to anybody is that they put the effort into it and learn the
> basics of the UNIX platforms. It is well worth it in the end. I'm not
going
> to get into all the old performance and security arguments because they
have
> more to do with configuration than anything else; either type of system
can
> be made to perform well and be quite secure.
>
> And, btw, we still run an NT mail server because there has so far been no
> reason to convert it to Linux... It is stable and performs well. So don't
> think I'm some Linux die-hard who's just trying to bash MS. We converted
the
> web server (which was W2K), simply because it was producing all sorts of
> bizarre and inexplicable problems that would crop up and then go away with
> no explanation. All of these problems had to do with the PERL scripts, so
we
> said, "What platform is PERL native on?". The answer is that PERL has been
> develped with a UNIX paradigm in mind and the Windows ports are just that:
> ports. Why get a port when you can run the real thing?
>
> -Eric P.
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WebWiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:53 AM
> Subject: Fw: Any Clues?
>
>
> > FWIW, I've been running on NT4 SP5-SP6a since Feb 17, 2000
> > with no problems. But, then again, I wrote the book :)
> >
> > http://www.atlcon.net/opensrs/nt-howto.htm
> >
> > (Admittedly, I had a LOT of help from other folks)
> >
> > Changes to the HOWTO are in the works for V2.33 and, if
> > necessary, additional details on Windows 2000.
> >
> > John, you may want to check this and see if anything is
> > awry. I've never seen the specific issue you detailed.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eric Longman
> > Atl-Connect Internet Services
> >
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lynn W. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: Any Clues?
> >
> >
> > We run on NT 4, SP6. Flawlessly.
> >
> > Your mileage may vary.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Paynter
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:39 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Any Clues?
> >
> > I ran the OSRS scripts on W2K for about 6 months and had no end of
bizarre
> > errors, some occurring often and some rarely, but all without any
> reasonable
> > explanation. I finally took the plunge and ran up a Linux server. The
> > learning curve was a little steeper than W2K, but since I brought the
new
> > server online I have had a total of 0 problems.
> >
> > In the end, it has saved me so much time I can't believe I didn't do it
> > sooner. The server is soooo much easier to administer. What I learned:
> > Windows = easy to learn, hard to administer. UNIX = Hard to learn, easy
to
> > administer. In the long run, I would suggest getting away from Windows
to
> > solve most of your problems and to greatly simplify all administrative
> > tasks.
> >
> > -Eric P.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > arctic bears - the internet - your way.
> > email hosting from US$8/month, domains from US$19/year.
> > http://www.arcticbears.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Roche IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:25 AM
> > Subject: Any Clues?
> >
> >
> > > This started happening out of the blue on my Win2000 server:
> > >
> > > I have not been working on the site at all!
> > >
> > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that
> > your
> > > locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = (unset) are supported and
> > > installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard
> > locale
> > > ("C"). Unable to locate winsock library!
> > >
> > > John W. Roche IV
> > > http://www.dpsinc.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
