We'll soon have access to <iframe mozbrowser> in desktop Firefox (see
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1238160).

I realize you are proposing a different API than mozbrowser, but I
just wanted to point out that there will be some HTML-based approach
for browser chrome available on desktop soon.

- Ryan

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Benjamin Francis <bfran...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking about working towards deprecating "Open Web Apps" (aka
> mozApps
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/API/Navigator/mozApps>)
> in Gecko.
>
> For the most part I think mozApps should eventually be replaced by
> standards-based web apps using Web Manifest, Service Workers etc. I'd love
> to see a standalone display mode for Firefox which supports these web apps
> on desktop and mobile to replace the now defunct web runtime, but that's
> not what this email is about.
>
> For the most privileged pieces of UI like the browser chrome of the
> browser.html project and the Firefox OS system app I think we may need
> another solution. I'd like us to be able to split Gaia
> <https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia> into chrome (the system pieces) and
> standard web content (everything else). (I'd also like to see a lot of the
> current mozApps-only DOM APIs become web services).
>
>    - In the past we had XULRunner but this has recently been removed and it
>    seems the continued use of XUL is being discouraged in favour of HTML.
>    - There was an attempt at rebooting the Chromeless project
>    <https://github.com/mikedeboer/chromeless2> but it looks like that was
>    still based on XULRunner.
>    - The browser.html <https://github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml/> project
>    currently uses Graphene
>    
> <https://github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml/wiki/Building-Graphene-%28Gecko-flavor%29>,
>    a build of Gecko/Servo which runs locally hosted web content as browser
>    chrome, but that's based on certified mozApps and the mozBrowser API.
>
> After chatting with members of the browser.html team I'd like to propose a
> solution inspired by Electron <http://electron.atom.io/> (which they
> already proposed <https://github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml/issues/639>
> before <https://github.com/servo/servo/issues/7379>). This would involve a
> new type of HTML-based chrome including a new <webview> element.
>
> Kan-Ru previously did a comparison
> <https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/BrowserAPI/Common_Subset> of Mozilla's
> mozBrowser API, Google's <webview> and Microsoft's <webview> and I started
> to spec something out <https://github.com/benfrancis/webview/> with a view
> to potentially standardising this, but the web lacks the security model
> needed to expose this API and there's currently not much interest in a
> standard. So my proposal is a chrome-only <webview> element for Gecko which
> would replace the mozApps-only mozBrowser API
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Using_the_Browser_API>,
> along the lines of Electron's <webview> element
> <http://electron.atom.io/docs/v0.36.8/api/web-view-tag/>, to allow you to
> safely embed web content in an application with HTML-based chrome.
>
> We could also potentially emulate other parts of Electron's APIs too, see
> their quick start tutorial
> <http://electron.atom.io/docs/v0.36.8/tutorial/quick-start/> to get an idea
> of how their embedding works.
>
> Initially this would be used by the browser.html and Firefox OS projects,
> but I think it could be a possible route away from XUL for Firefox in the
> future too.
>
> I've chatted with a few people working on browser.html and Firefox OS about
> this, but I'd like to get broader feedback. Vivien told me he's already
> prototyping a similar solution <https://github.com/vingtetun/planula> to
> the same problem so I'd like to kick off some discussion here about which
> direction we should take.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ben
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