Kurt - 
Another disadvantage of having CAs with a relationship to something like the US 
FPKI or Dutch PKIoverheid also apply directly to be included as a trust anchor 
with Mozilla, Microsoft, etc is if a problem does pop up with one of these CAs 
the programs that distribute it remove it via an update or patch that requires 
all relying parties to accept, rather than the single trust anchor severing the 
relationship by revoking the certificate.  Which I know does require the 
relying parties to be checking certificate status.

   wendy


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:19:08 +0100
From: Kurt Roeckx <k...@roeckx.be>
To: Policy Authority PKIoverheid <mark.jans...@logius.nl>
Cc: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: "Super" CAs
Message-ID: <20140320181908.gc7...@roeckx.be>
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Hi,

I think what we want to accomplish is that all CAs are properly audited with 
all our requirements.  And from what you describe I see no problem with 
PKIoverheid.  But I have the feeling that the Dutch government is an exception 
and can only hope that the others would follow the example.

You say that commercial parties can also apply for this with PKIoverheid.  But 
they could also apply directly with Mozilla for inclusion, since I understand 
that they would also comply with Mozilla's requirements.  I'm not sure what the 
best approach is.

The advantage I see for applying directly with Mozilla instead of some super CA:
- It's more transparent.  Mozilla publishes all audit reports.
- We can contrain the CAs more easily.
- It's easier to disable a CA in case of problems.
- The hierachy gets smaller

The disavantages:
- The new CA would need to apply in multiple programs like
  Mozilla and Microsoft.
- Might give more work to Mozilla.

Others?


Kurt


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