Seems like a lot of anecdotes are being shared with respect to hard fail 
without a lot of data.  Do the browsers have more data on this?  Considering 
the X.509 labs shows nearly 100% availability with response times of about 100 
ms, data showing in-depth info on failure rates (and the reasons why) would 
help drive the discussion in a productive direction.

Jeremy

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 On Behalf Of Matthias Hunstock
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Subject: Re: New wiki page on certificate revocation plans

Am 01.08.2014 12:11, schrieb simon.zer...@gmail.com:
> Where is the evidence that OSCP hard fails and these speed issues are 
> actually a problem in the real world?

Try it on a site with an unknown issuer.

The handshake takes at least 30 seconds longer, because thats the time you need 
to turn off hard fail in the browser UI.
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