在 2016年10月13日星期四 UTC+8下午2:01:19，yliv...@gmail.com写道： > Would this be enough? > http://www.cac.gov.cn/2016-09/19/c_1119583763.htm > > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 10:58:34 AM UTC+8, 谭晓生 wrote: > > Yuwei, > > I don’t know who you are, but I can tell you and the community, Qihoo 360 > > never been involved in ***** Fire Wall project, if you did some > > investigation to the message that accused Qihoo 360 joined the project > > “Search Engine Content Security Management System”, you should know the > > project had been done on Feb 2005, before Qihoo 360 was founded on Aug > > 2005, and the project is neither part of the ***** fire wall project nor a > > project done by Qihoo 360, actually it is part of the efforts to help > > Yahoo’s search engine could work in China, I was the tech head of > > Yahoo!China ‘s tech team, director of engineering and soon the CTO of > > Yahoo!China, I know what happened at that time. > > > > Thanks， > > Xiaosheng Tan > > > > > > > > 在 2016/10/13 上午5:22，“dev-security-policy 代表 Han > > Yuwei”<dev-security-policy-bounces+tanxiaosheng=360...@lists.mozilla.org 代表 > > hanyuwe...@gmail.com> 写入: > > > > 在 2016年10月13日星期四 UTC+8上午3:12:08，Ryan Sleevi写道： > > > As Gerv suggested this was the official call for incidents with > > respect to StartCom, it seems appropriate to start a new thread. > > > > > > It would seem that, in evaluating the relationship with WoSign and > > Qihoo, we naturally reach three possible conclusions: > > > 1) StartCom is treated as an independent entity > > > 2) StartCom is treated as a subsidiary of Qihoo > > > 3) StartCom is treated as a subsidiary of WoSign > > > > > > We know there are serious incidents with WoSign that, collectively, > > encourage the community to distrust future certificates. However, there > > hasn't been a similar investigation into the trustworthiness of StartCom as > > an independent entity or as an entity operated by Qihoo. It would seem that > > germane to the discussion is how trustworthy the claims are - from either > > StartCom or Qihoo - and how that affects trust. > > > > > > Incidents with StartCom: > > > A) Duplicate Serials. > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1029884 > > > We know that StartCom had issues issuing duplicate serials, in > > violation of RFC 5280. We know that they did not prioritize resolution, and > > when attempting resolution, did so incompletely, as the issue still > > resurfaced. > > > > > > C) Improper OCSP responder. > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1006479 / > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151270 > > > We know that StartCom continues to have issue with their OCSP > > responder after they issue certificates. Presumably, this is a CDN > > distribution delay, but we can't be sure, especially considering Incident A > > was with the underlying systems. As a consequence of this, users with > > StartCom certificates are disproportionately disadvantaged from enabling > > OCSP stapling, which many browser programs support (and is perhaps the only > > viable path towards a complete revocation solution). > > > > > > E) Heartbleed. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 / > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994478 > > > We know StartCom had a notoriously poor response to HeartBleed. Eddy > > first dismissed the significance, and then when proven wrong, still > > continued to charge $25 USD for revocation. Ostensibly, this is a violation > > of the Baseline Requirements, in that CAs are required to revoke > > certificates suspected of Key Compromise. However, despite the BRs > > effective date of 2012, Mozilla was not aggressively imposing compliance > > then (... or now, to be fair). > > > > > > G) StartCom BR violations - IV > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266942 > > > StartCom was materially violating its CP/CPS and the Baseline > > Requirements with respect to certain types of validation. No explanation > > for the root cause provided. > > > > > > I) StartCom BR violations (2) - Key Sizes > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1015767 > > > StartCom was issuing certificates less than 2048 bits. > > > > > > K) StartCom impersonating mozilla.com. > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471702 > > > StartCom's (former) CEO Eddy Nigg obtained a key and certificate for > > www.mozilla.com and placed it on an Internet-facing server. > > > > > > M) StartCom BR violations (3) - Key exponents > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212655 > > > StartCom was not enforcing the BRs with respect to RSA public > > exponents. > > > > > > O) StartCom BR violations (4) - Curve violations > > https://bug98304.bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269183 > > > StartCom was not enforcing the BRs with respect to EC curve > > algorithms. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition to discussion of StartCom issues, it seems relevant to > > future trust to evaluate issues with Qihoo. Many in the Mozilla community > > may not have direct interactions with Qihoo, but they have obtained some > > notoriety in security circles. > > > > > > Q.A) Qihoo masking their browser as a critical Windows security > > update to IE users. > > > http://wmos.info/archives/7717 / > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/01/qihoo_government_warning_fraud/ > > > Qihoo displayed a misleading security update for Windows users that > > instead installed their browser. > > > > > > Q.C) Qihoo browser actively enables insecure cryptography. > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b7lenmn5XO06QohaJzVffnJxjXjY1rD70wg34gfuxRo/edit > > > Qihoo's browser is notably insecure with respect to SSL/TLS, with > > some of the insecure changes requiring active modification to the low-level > > source libraries that Chromium (of which they're based on) uses. > > > > > > Q.E) Qihoo apps removed from app stores due to malware > > > > > https://www.techinasia.com/qihoo-committing-fraud-google-making-huge-mistake > > / https://www.techinasia.com/qihoo-apps-banned-apple-app-store > > > Qihoo Apps have repeatedly been banned from Apple's App Store due to > > issues > > > > > > Q.G) Qihoo "security" apps repeatedly found as unfair competition > > > > > https://www.techinasia.com/qihoo-360-loses-chinas-courts-ordered-pay-sogou-82-million-unfair-competition > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope the above show that the odds are if the original StartCom > > systems are restored, we're likely to continue to have significant BR > > violations - a pattern StartCom has repeatedly demonstrated over several > > years. Similarly, if we were to accept trust in Qihoo, then we would be > > ignoring the precedent Qihoo has set of choosing insecure and anti-user > > behaviours masked as "security". > > > > As a Chinese Internet user, I would say that Qihoo has a very negative > > reputation on China online community for its precedent's malware(maybe not > > accurate) and some awful actions such as "3Q Battle", installing software > > sliently, misleading ads, suspiciously collecting data which is believed > > helping govnerment monitoring citizens and so on. But on the other hand, > > their product, "360安全卫士" (360 Total Security)(two names are not the same > > version but I can't find another english name),as I thought, has improved > > the total security level of China Internet. And it has changed the > > ecosystem of Chinese anti-malware software,which I don't know it is good or > > bad. And it's believed that Qihoo have a tight connection with the Great > > Fire Wall project. > > > > Since "The Big Brother is Watching you" is not accepted in Mozilla, I > > thought Qihoo is not trustworthy in operating a CA. > > > > P.S. Anyone who knows to change the font size of google group? As a > > non-english native speaker it is hard for me to read such a small size in > > the content. > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-security-policy mailing list > > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-security-policy
They have improved the security of China Internet, OK? It seems like somebody regard offical security staffs as devils who help government to restrict China Internet. This kind of discrimination will DESTORY the China Internet. _______________________________________________ dev-security-policy mailing list dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-security-policy
