On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 04:55:37PM -0800, Peter Bowen wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Matt Palmer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> (Note: Key pinning isn't the only advantage to being able to freely operate
> >> your own intermediate CA.)
> >
> > I don't see how freely operating your own intermediate CA is a pre-requisite
> > for key pinning, either.
> 
> If you don't have your own CA you have to choose between pinning to a
> CA who might collapse or change their business model such that you
> can't use them or pinning end-entity keys which is highly limiting.

Yes, pinning end-entity keys is a great way to very effectively blow your
foot off at the neck.  I don't see how pinning an open intermediate is any
worse than pinning a TCSC, though.  An organisation which pinned a TCSC
issued by Wosign or Startcom, to use the villains du jour, is in exactly the
same position as if they'd pinned one of their open intermediates.

- Matt

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