On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Ryan Sleevi <r...@sleevi.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Wayne Thayer <wtha...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Ryan Sleevi <r...@sleevi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy <
>>> dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When the Francisco Partners acquisition of Comodo was announced, it was
>>>> pointed out [1] that a strict reading of the current policy section 8.1
>>>> would have forced Comodo to stop issuing certificates for some period of
>>>> time:
>>>>
>>>> If the receiving or acquiring company is new to the Mozilla root
>>>> program,
>>>> > there MUST be a public discussion regarding their admittance to the
>>>> root
>>>> > program, which Mozilla must resolve with a positive conclusion before
>>>> > issuance is permitted.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I propose that we update section 8.1 to distinguish between root
>>>> transfers
>>>> and acquisition of or investment in a CA organization, with the latter
>>>> cases allowing issuance to continue during the discussion period.
>>>>
>>>> During the earlier discussion on this topic [1], it was also proposed
>>>> that
>>>> we require the receiving or acquiring company to make no changes during
>>>> the
>>>> discussion period and that we require all material changes anticipated
>>>> as a
>>>> result of the investment or acquisition to be publicly disclosed by the
>>>> CA.
>>>>
>>>> This is: https://github.com/mozilla/pkipolicy/issues/109
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.security.policy/
>>>> AvGlsb4BAZo/gQe5ggE6BQAJ
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm having a little bit of difficulty imagining what you see the change
>>> looking like. Do you have draft text in mind, to look for possible
>>> exploitable loopholes?
>>>
>>> Here's a proposal: https://github.com/mozilla/pki
>> policy/commit/565250b9bbc16c1a4e3d4165f0171e8702b2b21d
>>
>
> Thanks, that's much easier to visualize.
>
> I think it's a positive change, but it may be worth emphasizing that a
> complete change in ownership does not otherwise exempt a CA from the other
> reporting - such as changes in operational personnel, material changes in
> the CA's operations (CP/CPS), etc. This is covered by Section 8.2 and 8
> overall, so it may not bear mentioning explicitly, or it may be worth
> noting that the receiving or acquiring company will be bound by the policy,
> in full, including any notifications of further changes.
>

To address this comment, I added the statement "...it must comply with the
entirety of this policy...". With both changes, section 8.1 would read as
follows:

> This section applies when one company buys or takes a controlling stake in
> a CA, or when an organization buys the private key of a certificate in
> Mozilla's root program.
>
> Mozilla MUST be notified of any resulting changes in the CA's CP or CPS.
>
> If the receiving or acquiring company is new to the Mozilla root program,
> it must comply with the entirety of this policy and there MUST be a public
> discussion regarding their admittance to the root program, which Mozilla
> must resolve with a positive conclusion in order for the affected
> certificate(s) to remain in the root program. If the entire CA operation is
> not included in the scope of the transaction, issuance is not permitted
> until the discussion has been resolved with a positive conclusion.
>
Unless there are further comments on this topic, I'll include this change
in version 2.6

- Wayne
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