You wouldn't have that problem -- I don't work with people who make personal attacks.
On Sep 8, 2:37 pm, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > You must be really fun to work with... > > --emi > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:18 PM, mckyj57 wrote: > > > And now you have validated my rant. There is no way for someone with > > no working knowledge of Java to use this application. You may think > > this is a good thing -- why I wouldn't know. It would seem to me that > > providing installation information might be of some priority. But with > > Java apps, I have not found it. Every time, one has to modify > > something or another or add some obscure path to some environment > > variable. > > > My initial attempt to change CLASSPATH, the thing I remembered you > > typically had to do, didn't work. After playing with it awhile, I have > > it running. But not due to any example that was provided, just trial > > and error. Something completely forgotten quickly, I am sure, as I > > will not use Java again any time soon. > > > Applications in almost all other areas, C, C++, Perl, even Python > > nowadays, have a typical "./configure; make; make test; make install" > > path with a man page and an application. It would seem to me that Java > > applications would be well served to provide that type of top-to- > > bottom installation. > > > I now have it running, but it has several other things which are > > pretty strange about it, like insisting it know about every function > > ahead of time (i.e. strict checking). There is no "man rhino", of > > course, so you can't easily find any command options on how to disable > > it with a switch. It would be a long search through bizarrely- > > structured documentation. So as usual, I will put the incantation in a > > shell script that I feel should have been provided by the application > > itself. And if I find an alternative, I will probably avoid using this > > application because it is in Java, and it is obtuse. Upgrading will be > > something done completely from memory of course, or maintained in my > > own logs, as there is no INSTALL or UPGRADE file. > > > I probably would have avoided this completely once I saw it was in > > Java but I had hope that a project hosted by Mozilla might not have > > the usual Java obtuseness. I am sorry I am wrong. > > > On Sep 8, 1:34 pm, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For you I think these lines are the most important in my email: > > >>> [...] > >>> Note: You might also want to read about the Java > >>> classpathhttp://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/tooldocs/windows/classpath.html > >>> PS: [...] Learning a bit about Java might also help with your > >>> frustrations. > > >> --emi > > >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:20 PM, mckyj57 wrote: > > >>> On Sep 8, 12:49 pm, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> You go here:http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/ > > >>>> See the BIG downloads link:http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/download.html > > >>>> You get the zip. > > >>>> You go back. > > >>>> You see the BIG documentation > >>>> link:https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Rhino_documentation > > >>> Yes, I sure did. But is there any installation info? No, there is > >>> not. > > >>>> You see > > >>>> "Rhino Shell > >>>> Interactive or batch execution of scripts." > > >>> Yes, I sure did. But is there any installation info? No, there is > >>> not. > > >>>> That looks easy enough. It takes you > >>>> here:https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Rhino_Shell > > >>>> where you see how to execute the shell. > > >>> You do? I see: > > >>> java org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main [options] script- > >>> filename- > >>> or-url [script-arguments] > > >>> I do that, but no dice. Now I am not stupid enough to believe that > >>> it > >>> is built into my Java, but how do you make that operate? Is it as > >>> simple as copying js-14.jar to /usr/share/java? Or what? > > >>>> If you want to embed, you have a nice > >>>> tutorial:http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/tutorial.html > > >>>> Note: You might also want to read about the Java > >>>> classpathhttp://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/tooldocs/windows/classpath.html > > >>>> I would say that all in all everything is pretty clear, INSTALL > >>>> file > >>>> or not. > > >>>> PS: You must be kidding with your rant. Learning a bit about Java > >>>> might also help with your frustrations. > > >>> I don't want to learn about Java. I want to use a Java application. > > >>> There is no installation information. Searching on install and > >>> installation in this group > >>> yields no hits. Searching for "rhino installation" yields nothing on > >>> the web. > > >>>> --emi > > >>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:34 PM, mckyj57 wrote: > > >>>>> In downloading and inspecting Rhino from mozilla.com, I see no > >>>>> documentation regarding installation. Going to the web site, I see > >>>>> no > >>>>> section on installation. There is no INSTALL or README file. The > >>>>> index.html in the javadoc/ directory has no mention of > >>>>> installation. > > >>>>> How is one to use this tool to do something as simple as syntax- > >>>>> checking > >>>>> a script segment in an editor. For instance, with vim and perl you > >>>>> can > >>>>> highlight a code segment and do: > > >>>>> !perl -wc > > >>>>> I simply want to be able to do that for Javascript to catch those > >>>>> stupid > >>>>> syntax errors you are bound to have from so many levels of > >>>>> bracket. > > >>>>> (Yes, I know about syntax coloring and definitions. I want more.) > > >>>>> P.S. At the risk of alienating people here, I will speak my two > >>>>> cents. > >>>>> This is not the first time I have had this problem with an > >>>>> application written in Java. To my mind this is one of the > >>>>> constant > >>>>> lacks in Java-based applications. There is rarely an installation > >>>>> nor a regular command line script available for simple use. What > >>>>> is > >>>>> the deal? Is there some sort of initiation that Java people want > >>>>> to > >>>>> wreak on the world? Are you not deemed worthy enough to use Java > >>>>> apps if you haven't gone through some rite of passage? I am not > >>>>> surprised at the lack of traction Java has, based on this > >>>>> unfriendliness. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Mickey > > >>>>> I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just > >>>>> lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as > >>>>> well. -- Diane Ackerman > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> dev-tech-js-engine-rhino mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-js-engine-rhino > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dev-tech-js-engine-rhino mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>>https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-js-engine-rhino > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-tech-js-engine-rhino mailing list > > [email protected] > >https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-js-engine-rhino _______________________________________________ dev-tech-js-engine-rhino mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-js-engine-rhino
