So, I pseudo got an explanation for the second point in the CtR discussion, so I'm going to withdraw that comment. However, I would still appreciate an explanation for initial paragraph.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:32 PM, John Vines <vi...@apache.org> wrote: > The majority of the reasoning I read in the bylaws thread justifying why > bylaw changes should be majority and not consensus seemed to spiral around > "We don't want someone to be able to torpedo the vote". Can someone who > held this opinion clarify why this is unacceptable for a bylaw change but > acceptable for adopting a new code base, a new committer, a new pmc member, > or a new pmc chair? Primarily I was looking at these compared to bylaw > changes when I made decided that bylaws should have the same level of > approval. I feel that having these items as consensus by bylaws as majority > seems inconsistent. > > Furthermore, by having the bylaw changes at a lower level of agreement, it > provides a work around for a bare minimum majority to change the bylaws to > allow these actions to occur with said bare minimum majority. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey+li...@cloudera.com>wrote: > >> -1 >> >> I don't think there's been sufficient discussion on this. Also, I agree >> with Mike back in the previous thread. The norm is for Apache to use >> Majority Vote for procedural changes and I'd prefer we follow suite. I >> have >> faith that our community can build consensus in a reasonable amount of >> time, but sometimes you just need to take a reckoning and move on. >> >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Bill Havanki <bhava...@clouderagovt.com >> >wrote: >> >> > -1 >> > >> > My opinion on this is overly well known. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Corey Nolet <cjno...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > +1 >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > +1 >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Christopher L Tubbs II >> > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, David Medinets >> > > > <david.medin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > +1 >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, John Vines <vi...@apache.org> >> > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> This is a proposal to change the Bylaw Change action in the >> bylaws >> > > from >> > > > >> Majority Approval to Consensus Approval. This is being requested >> > > because >> > > > >> Bylaw changes are a major change to the project and all >> discussion >> > > > should >> > > > >> be able to be had without a borderline majority being able to >> force >> > > > things >> > > > >> through. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Specifically, it is the following line which shall be changed >> > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Majority approvalActive >> PMC >> > > > >> members7 >> > > > >> to >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Consensus approvalActive >> PMC >> > > > >> members >> > > > >> 7 >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The current bylaws are visible at >> > > > >> >> > > > >> http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html >> > > > >> >> > > > >> This vote will be open for 7 days, until 11 April 2014, 15:20 >> UTC. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Upon successful completion of this vote, the first line of the >> > > document >> > > > >> body >> > > > >> will be replaced with "This is version 2 of the bylaws," ( or >> "This >> > is >> > > > >> version 3 of the bylaws," if the vote to change Code Changes >> passes) >> > > and >> > > > >> the aforementioned line will be changed from Majority Approval to >> > > > Consensus >> > > > >> Approval. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> This vote requires majority approval to pass: at least 3 +1 votes >> > and >> > > > more >> > > > >> +1 >> > > > >> than -1's. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> [ ] +1 - "I approve of these proposed bylaw changes and accept >> them >> > > for >> > > > >> the Apache Accumulo project." >> > > > >> [ ] +0 - "I neither approve nor disapprove of these proposed >> bylaw >> > > > changes, >> > > > >> but accept them for the Apache Accumulo project." >> > > > >> [ ] -1 - "I do not approve of these proposed bylaw changes and do >> > not >> > > > >> accept them for the Apache Accumulo project because..." >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Thank you. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > // Bill Havanki >> > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions >> > // 443.686.9283 >> > >> > >
