this issue with release frequency and branch maintenance is simply bandwidth. If you have bandwidth to cut a release now then spend it on 5.10 and get it out this week. Push all 40 open issues to 5.11 and we can cut that in a 3 months and get the ball rolling with more frequent releases. Any strong feeling about getting something into 5.10 can easily be migrated to a strong feeling for 5.11 and expedite its arrival.
I agree that 6 months is way too long a release cycle with the current commit rate we have. On 11 March 2014 20:35, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think there is. I don't know if 5.10 suffices for all needs, and I don't > know > when 5.10 will come out. Currently there are over 40 issues open against 5.10. > My perception is that there are strong feelings about some of the issues being > fixed in 5.10 and for that reason my guess is that we'll wait a bit for the > 5.10 release. Also 300+ (by the time we release, probably 400+) commits and 6+ > months between releases seems a bit much for a successful open source project. > > I also believe we should get back into the habit of maintaining (with patch > versions) at least one if not two prior minor releases. Right now the only > options user have are to either: > 1. Wait some 6+ mo for the next minor release, which comes with fixes and new > problems. > 2. Try to have have their own build and merge relevant patches themselves > (afaik very, very few do that today) > 3. Go to a commercially supported distro. > > Personally I am strongly in favor of having stable, supported branches at the > ASF. > > Cheers, > Hadrian > > > On Tuesday 11 March 2014 08:39:54 Gary Tully wrote: >> is there really a need for 5.9.1 and 5.10. Does 5.10 not suffice for all >> needs? >> >> On 10 March 2014 20:43, Hadrian Zbarcea <hadr...@apache.org> wrote: >> > There are some 342 commits since 5.9.0. It's easy to get them running: >> > $ git log 87c9bbebacfe1d2248b4a55d601f0b089d40b742..HEAD >> > >> > (where 87c9bbebacfe1d2248b4a55d601f0b089d40b742 is the 5.9.0 release tag) >> > >> > Because the resulting log is about 80k in size, I will not attach it >> > here, but please find below the list of commits I believe we should apply >> > to the 5.9.1 release. Please let me know if I missed any or if you >> > believe some commits should not be merged to 5.9.1. During the following >> > days I will try to merge them and start the 5.9.1 builds. >> > >> > The list is unexpectedly long, but many commits are test improvement or >> > one- liners. Feedback appreciated. Commits are in chronological order >> > starting with the oldest: >> > --- >> > >> >> ee65ca4ee5fb277204bd084eab356479ff1f05d8 >> >> ef45a5f8ffa0c5c36f1fb98f377ca0cb54b9cbd7 >> >> f5dd1256e467966f14a7447a4cd1fc45f21f19a3 >> >> 1896d27409d1fa6941f6c1744a1fa6f6899f3a01 >> >> d4da85f39bb4f58293817cdd1703ddea66f66a3a >> >> c015a98e0ac54fa82a889d3e48396550a5905196 >> >> 598f206a58d1dc14fbe48812ac28266789722dd8 >> >> 092bc617080ebb1c7870b1878de6abf45b9790f6 >> >> 85bc9ce9d01cb1174572ed23372e18d753837eec >> >> ae1da749b780520fad4a444f4b8babdfcb9a583d >> >> 0f09f78f3e04a712b0b066d0b2710c3d0af749e4 >> >> 043a4ad4ff235ce28bc1bcbd594c50a262caf373 >> >> ec97d0aad024890251d4105001f17c56d6090658 >> >> c2eb4863a8cc4de79a7f63fea915bf9397981bb8 >> >> da45d994ac31cb8ef78ff429fd7e26e5f6834749 >> >> 928068dfd49f719beea2d9dbe589efa68d7d35ca >> >> aaa1a74dfb4c1b30686f9cf74d97565edd1b3621 >> >> 22dc6d444a49c5fa5f47eaa4a8d155c28123b4d3 >> >> f7311567a022dcdfb00126b4931a485a8afdb134 >> >> 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52a2733535477c9464d4e15eea68cef826ac5738 >> > 33b88d34a9c242787c5878c9192f77bbb163e446 >> > 8188f7f884c96fe2174315be784bea2e560a09ba >> > ---- >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Hadrian >> > >> >> On Thursday 06 March 2014 11:47:25 you wrote: >> >> > I upgraded camel to the 2.12.3 which includes the security upgrade. >> >> > There are also various test fixes that came in the past days that >> >> > stabilized the builds. I also enabled the CI builds on the ASF >> >> > servers (both java6 and java7). >> >> > >> >> > I think the trunk is now stable and we can start closing down on the >> >> > 5.10.0 and 5.9.1 releases. >> >> > >> >> > For 5.9.1 I believe the lazy consensus was on spin off a maintenance >> >> > branch off of the 5.9.0 tag and only apply targeted fixes. I will >> >> > prepare a list of the patches since 5.9.0 and my take on what should >> >> > be merged. >> >> > >> >> > On 5.10.0 there are still some 45 issues open. Some of them depend on >> >> > a qpid proton release. Not sure if we could get things going in the >> >> > qpid community. If not we may have to move them to a 5.10.1. I will go >> >> > to the list of issues and try to defer what's not urgent. I have the >> >> > cycles to start release builds as soon as this weekend or early next >> >> > week. >> >> > >> >> > Thoughts? >> >> > Hadrian >> >> > >> >> > On Friday 28 February 2014 16:01:52 boday wrote: >> >> > > yep, we need a 5.10 or even a 5.9.1 release to get this bug fixed >> >> > > soon: >> >> > > >> >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4832 >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > View this message in context: >> >> > > >> >> > > http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/ActiveMQ-5-10-release-date-tp4 >> >> > >678 36 6 p4678425.html Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list >> >> > > archive at Nabble.com. >> -- http://redhat.com http://blog.garytully.com
