Hi guys,

FYI, I merged log4j2 support on main for 5.17.0.

For security reasons and being up to date with Jetty, I would like to
include https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/784
Thoughts ?

Regarding the release, I think we are good. If there are no
objections, I would like to submit 5.17.0 to vote tonight (my time).

Regards
JB

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:51 PM Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW it seems like it should be a simple enough revert once the branch
> is made. Looks like 3 files (as below) have been changed since the
> commit in a way that would need a decision upon revert. I guess those
> are likely to be keeping the changes from main. Assuming so, seems
> like "git revert 67256c61b -Xours" would work.
>
> Though, perhaps worth looking closer at
> activemq-karaf/src/main/resources/features-core.xml to see if the
> change there (and related property restored in the module pom file) is
> needed, it doesnt immediately seem that related to the api change.
>
>     both modified:   activemq-client/pom.xml
>     both modified:
> activemq-karaf-itest/src/test/java/org/apache/activemq/karaf/itest/ActiveMQBrokerNdCamelFeatureTest.java
>     both modified:   activemq-karaf/src/main/resources/features-core.xml
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 16:01, Matt Pavlovich <mattr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ok, lets go
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Christopher Shannon 
> > > <christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, the reason to roll back is for what Robbie just said.
> > >
> > > I know the discussion originally was that the first step of this would be
> > > to include the jar with no impl and just UOE.  But I've been convinced
> > > after all the discussion the past couple weeks on this that there's no 
> > > real
> > > point to doing so now because A) you already get the same behavior with
> > > including the jar yourself and B) there will be real client impl changes
> > > coming shortly with 5.18.0 it just makes a lot more sense to me to wait 
> > > and
> > > include everything in 5.18.0.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It really doesnt make sense to include changing the API in 5.17.0
> > >> without any impl, it would be very odd to retain to me, and also quite
> > >> misleading. It may also unnecessarily inconvenience people that have
> > >> previously adapted their builds to other bits including a
> > >> likely-different 2.0 API artifact if they needed it and excluding the
> > >> 1.1 api, into updating their excludes despite no impl change. It just
> > >> makes sense to unwind it.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 14:30, Matt Pavlovich <mattr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey Chris-
> > >>>
> > >>> I believe the JMS 2.0 impl is in good shape (fighting one test that
> > >> works-locally-fails-on-Apache-CI fun!). Given the desire to get 5.17.0 
> > >> out
> > >> soon, I can get behind allowing more time for others to review and roll
> > >> with it in 5.18.0.
> > >>>
> > >>> How about keeping AMQ-7309 in 5.17.0 and go forward with your suggestion
> > >> of moving on to 5.18.0 with JMS 2.0, Jakarta updates, etc? AMQ-7309 is 
> > >> well
> > >> reviewed and been merged for 4 months.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 22, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Christopher Shannon <
> > >> christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In terms of maintenance if we get out 2.18, 2.19, etc then 2.17 can
> > >> just
> > >>>> get important fixes or be made EOL and we can move on. Long lived
> > >> branches
> > >>>> and support are not necessary if we keep up with more frequent
> > >> releases.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2.17.0 is at a logical cut off point where it's at now and I'm
> > >> definitely
> > >>>> not in favor of adding something brand new (Jakarta changes) last
> > >> minute
> > >>>> and I doubt others are either.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So again..it's time to move on. As everyone else already seems to be in
> > >>>> agreement with (JB, Tim, Robbie) let's just do the release this week
> > >> with
> > >>>> the current changes and then move on to 2.18.0 with JMS 2.0, Jakarta
> > >>>> updates, etc.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:49 PM Matt Pavlovich <mattr...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey All-
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I get the idea that getting a JDK 11-based released is a good thing,
> > >> but I
> > >>>>> also think we should consider the jakarta alignment as part of what
> > >> active
> > >>>>> branches are supported. This is the path other projects have taken and
> > >>>>> helps users align things when they are assembling pieces for their
> > >>>>> environment
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If we go with the proposed plan in this thread-- we add JDK 11, but
> > >> do not
> > >>>>> move the ball forward on anything jakarta related — we add another
> > >> active
> > >>>>> branch to maintain. As log4j showed us, having a bunch of active
> > >> branches
> > >>>>> out there is a lot of work when it is time to crank out security
> > >> fixes.
> > >>>>> Additionally, keeping up with Jetty and other dependencies is going to
> > >>>>> become more difficult if we do not start taking steps to align JDK +
> > >>>>> jakarta in supported branches.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I also feel that the current status of the JMS 2.0 phased
> > >> implementation
> > >>>>> is closer to done than the amount of work to revert AMQ-7309. PR-729
> > >> has
> > >>>>> 200+ test cases and has addressed all feedback as of this morning.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> JMS 2.0 tested and validated:
> > >>>>> - All destinations (queue, topic, temp-topic, temp-queue) and all
> > >> message
> > >>>>> types (bytes, map, object, stream, and text)
> > >>>>> - All message property types (bytes, string, int, float, double,
> > >> short,
> > >>>>> etc.) including min+max data ranges
> > >>>>> - Foreign message support
> > >>>>> - Range checking on priority and deliveryMode
> > >>>>> - Topic Durable Subscriber (JMS v1.x alignment)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thank you,
> > >>>>> Matt Pavlovich
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022, at 8:16 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I agree.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> @Matt @Robbie @Tim is it ok for you to have 5.17.0 with Spring5,
> > >>>>>> log4j2, JDK11 and include JMS2 in 5.18.0 that can happen quickly ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:09 PM Christopher Shannon
> > >>>>>> <christopher.l.shan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm +1 on moving forward without JMS 2.0 until 5.18.0.  The reality
> > >> is
> > >>>>> there is no consensus to keep it in 5.17.0. There are multiple people
> > >> who
> > >>>>> do not want to include it in 5.17.0 so it's time to move on without.
> > >> We
> > >>>>> also need to revert the commits from
> > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-7309 as there is no reason
> > >> to
> > >>>>> include that now.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So I say go ahead with the release and vote (after wrapping things
> > >> up
> > >>>>> including reverting that AMQ-7309 JMS 2 stuff).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm pretty tired of the back and forth and fighting over version
> > >>>>> numbers to be honest and just want to move on. It's not productive to
> > >> keep
> > >>>>> arguing anymore over a version...5.18.0 can literally go out whenever
> > >> we
> > >>>>> want.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 8:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > >> j...@nanthrax.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Quick update about 5.17.0 release:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> - I fixed/squash log4j2 update PR
> > >>>>>>>> (https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/662). I think it's OK
> > >> (I'm
> > >>>>>>>> waiting for the end of Jenkins).
> > >>>>>>>> - I'm creating Apache POM 25 update PR
> > >>>>>>>> - I'm creating Spring 5.3.16 update PR
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> So, ActiveMQ 5.17.0 is almost ready from this standpoint.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> As I would like to start the vote asap, It would be great to act
> > >> about
> > >>>>>>>> JMS2. Do you want me to start with different options ?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:55 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > >> j...@nanthrax.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I worked on the log4j2 update PR this weekend, fixing almost all
> > >> unit
> > >>>>>>>>> tests using a custom appender. I just have to fix the
> > >>>>>>>>> activemq-web-demo test and squash, and the PR will be good to be
> > >>>>>>>>> merged. I will do that today.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Then, later today and tomorrow I will work on using jetty modules
> > >>>>>>>>> instead of jetty-all and update to Jetty 9.4.45.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I will do a pass on Jira and PRs, especially the ones from Matt.
> > >> @Matt
> > >>>>>>>>> can you please ping me on slack to check together the status of
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>> PRs ?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Regarding this, I would like to submit 5.17.0 to vote this
> > >> Thursday if
> > >>>>>>>>> there are no objections.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >

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