I'd be +1 on active/passive as well. Jon
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:06 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote: > -1 for leader/follower, it doesn't apply for current master/slave > mechanism, it's not the same semantic as in Kafka for instance > -1 for primary/backup, technically, this one could work, but it sounds > "confusing" to me > +1 for active/passive is probably the most accurate and describe the > behavior (we have one broker active, and several passive) > > Regards > JB > > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:26 AM Tetreault, Lucas > <tetlu...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > Hey folks, > > > > I don’t know if I’m actually allowed to call for a vote given I’m not a > committer/PMC member but Michael André Pearce made it clear on Slack that > this was the only way to move this discussion forward and come to a final > conclusion on the issue so here goes nothing. If I’m not supposed to call > for a vote, perhaps someone could “sponsor” this request :) > > > > > > A tweet [1] from a few days ago raised the issue of non-inclusive > terminology in the AWS docs related to ActiveMQ [2] and suggested that we > should replace “masterslave” with a more inclusive name for the network > connector transport. Replacing master/slave nomenclature in ActiveMQ was > raised as a Jira issue in July 2020 [3] and again on the mailing list in > November 2020 [7]. There was some initial work to rename the git branch > from master to main, some attempts at making some changes to the code ( > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/679, > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/714, > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/788) and Matt Pavlovich drafted a > thorough proposal on the mailing list [6], however we have not been able to > come to an agreement on nomenclature so these efforts seem to have stalled > out. > > > > > > > > If we are able to come to an agreement on nomenclature, we can move > forward with removing more non-inclusive terminology on the website (I will > follow up with some PRs to the website), in discussions with the community > and of course in the codebase. This will remove barriers to adoption and > make ActiveMQ a more approachable and inclusive project for everyone! Other > Apache projects such as Solr and Kafka have moved from master/slave to > leader/follower. Leader/follower is also recommended by the IETF [4] and > inclusivenaming.org [5] which is supported by companies such as Cisco, > Intel, and RedHat. At AWS, we have used active/standby to describe HA > deployments, however from previous discussions it's clear that > active/standby is not a viable option for this community since 'active' can > be used to describe so many things. If we can agree on leader/follower or > some alternate we would follow the community's preference and adopt > leader/follower to better serve our ActiveMQ users. > > > > > > > > From all the previous discussions, I believe we have two options to > replace master/slave. Artemis will need to layer on a status (e.g.: > active/standby) but I think we can move forward on this vote without > deciding what those terms should be assuming people agree these options > will support having a status layered on top. > > > > > > > > Please submit your +1/-1 vote on the following terms and please provide > specific comments/alternatives if you’re -1 for both options. > > > > [ ] Leader/Follower > > > > [ ] Primary/Backup > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://twitter.com/owenblacker/status/1517156221207212032 > > > > [2] > https://docs.aws.amazon.com/amazon-mq/latest/developer-guide/amazon-mq-creating-configuring-network-of-brokers.html#creating-configuring-network-of-brokers-configure-network-connectors > > > > [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-7514 > > > > [4] https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-02.html > > > > [5] https://inclusivenaming.org/word-lists/tier-1/ > > [6] https://lists.apache.org/thread/rcwogpchjo9p461hqoj6m89q9t2qpqjj > > [7] https://lists.apache.org/thread/5ntnrbz1l92xbvno0s2jxhhf7nbs8d9c > > > > Lucas Tétreault > > Software Development Manager, Amazon MQ > > email: tetlu...@amazon.com<mailto:tetlu...@amazon.com> > > > > >
