Hi Jarek, Many thanks for your reply and sorry to have kept you waiting for mine.
> I think we might have a good help from someone who would like to take on > the tasks that developers are not really good at. I think we - developers > are good in stuff that came be automated, but we are not that good in > organizing things where people's emotions arere important, I think what > would be great might be to help people to organize the work around > development. I think there are various good practices that mu by t be > introducedy by you and other Pms I worked with - for example retros, demos, > planning etc. - all that might be useful in the various groups we are > developing various functionalities we add for Airflow. There are meetings > announced in the devlist for various areas and they are open to everyone to > join. Maybe you could come to one of those meetings, observe it and help us > figure out how to do I better ? I think that might a good start!I'd love if > you come to one of our future meetings and tell us what we can improve ! I > am sure we can learn a lot from you. I'd love to do it! ;-) > > > Side story: I once took part in a mentorship program for young Project > > Managers wannabes and after spending 3 months with a brave and bright > > young lady I didn't think of open source community as a fresh start > > for her to gain experience. I'm glad that now I know that it's > > possible. > > > Certainly! I think we have plenty I possibilities, we are now planning to > participate in Google Summer Of Code and in Outreachy diversity Programme - > we can include you in it. Maybe you can help tthere ? I'm all in, what are the next steps? Kind regards, Karolina Rosół Polidea <https://www.polidea.com/> | Project Manager M: +48 606 630 236 <+48606630236> E: karolina.ro...@polidea.com [image: Polidea] <https://www.polidea.com/> Check out our projects! <https://www.polidea.com/our-work> [image: Github] <https://github.com/Polidea> [image: Facebook] <https://www.facebook.com/Polidea.Software> [image: Twitter] <https://twitter.com/polidea> [image: Linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/polidea> [image: Instagram] <https://instagram.com/polidea> [image: Behance] <https://www.behance.net/polidea> [image: dribbble] <https://dribbble.com/polideadesign> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 9:47 PM Jarek Potiuk <jarek.pot...@polidea.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 22:21 Karolina Rosół <karolina.ro...@polidea.com> > wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > TL;DR; Non-technical people would love to build this community as > > well. We just don't know how ;-) > > > > Thanks for thone comments! > > 1. It is amazing that there's an info on the Apache website about the > > devlist. However, I totally don't know how to use it except for > > knowing how to join. For someone not familiar with it it's hard to > > even start his/her discussion because I believe (please correct me if > > I'm wrong) there are no rules on how to e.g. create a subject in the > > form of a [DISCUSSION] / [AIP-XY] etc. > > > > indeed. This is something that we can describe :) I will add it to our > 'Communications' PR. > > > > 2. There's no info about what is devlist / Slack better for but I've > > seen the latest PR https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/7204 about > > it, so I won't talk too much now. > > > > Yep. I think we need it. > > > > > 3. I'd be happy to know what I myself, as a non-technical person, can > > do to make this community better. We have an info about documentation > > and the need of enhancing it on the website but if I were a student > > and would like to know more about the nature of OSS projects and even > > things like how to use JIRA / Github in such project, it would help. > > Let's say someone would like to gain experience to become a Project > > Manager in the future and build great teams based on Apache good > > practices even though open > > source projects have no actual structures. > > > > I think we might have a good help from someone who would like to take on > the tasks that developers are not really good at. I think we - developers > are good in stuff that came be automated, but we are not that good in > organizing things where people's emotions arere important, I think what > would be great might be to help people to organize the work around > development. I think there are various good practices that mu by t be > introducedy by you and other Pms I worked with - for example retros, demos, > planning etc. - all that might be useful in the various groups we are > developing various functionalities we add for Airflow. There are meetings > announced in the devlist for various areas and they are open to everyone to > join. Maybe you could come to one of those meetings, observe it and help us > figure out how to do I better ? I think that might a good start!I'd love if > you come to one of our future meetings and tell us what we can improve ! I > am sure we can learn a lot from you. > > > > > 4. Meetups / Apache Local Community - I think it's something > > non-technical people can do. In fact, I was happy to make the 1st > > Warsaw Apache Airflow meetup happen and cooperate with Aizhamal, > > Jarek, Tomek and Kamil to think of and make the best experience for > > people who wanted to know more about Apache Airflow project in > > general. I'm not sure if I would be honoured to take part in such an > > experience without the people I mentioned. I simply didn't know that > > as a Project Manager of cloud / big data project in a usual company I > > can still have small impact on building a better and more mature > > community. It's only because I did receive tons of mentorship, > > constant encouragement from my colleagues. Without them I wouldn't > > even know that it's possible to contribute as a non-programmer. > > > > yeah. Mentoring is important on many levels. we should do more of it ! > > > > > 5. I was amazed by the results of the survey that Tomek has recently > > made. I started to look around for more general info about welcoming > > open source communities and what makes people join such communities. I > > bumped into a great study made by Digital Ocean which you can find > > under the following link: > > > > > https://www.digitalocean.com/currents/december-2019/#anchor-the-community-of-open-source > > It describes things like inclusivity, men vs. women perception of open > > source projects / welcoming and friendly communities / rules etc. It's > > long but worth reading :-) > > > > cool - I think we will do quite so e diversity discussion during our > upcoming Airflow Summit - we have some plans about it ! > > > > > Side story: I once took part in a mentorship program for young Project > > Managers wannabes and after spending 3 months with a brave and bright > > young lady I didn't think of open source community as a fresh start > > for her to gain experience. I'm glad that now I know that it's > > possible. > > > > Certainly! I think we have plenty I possibilities, we are now planning to > participate in Google Summer Of Code and in Outreachy diversity Programme - > we can include you in it. Maybe you can help tthere ? > > > Karolina Rosół > > Polidea | Project Manager > > > > M: +48 606 630 236 > > E: karolina.ro...@polidea.com > > > > Check out our projects! > > > > > > >
