+1 to Slack over Gitter but understand the concerns of disruption to community and message retention.
IMO - Gitter's main disadvantage is forcing all conversations through one channel which means following any one issue is confusing and inefficient. I've stopped checking it so much precisely because multiple conversations happening at once make it difficult to follow, with or without retention. And based on the number of questions that get asked over and over again, I would be surprised if people are actually looking through old messages prior to posting their own as much as might be expected. Would this project qualify for a Non-profit discount? Free for 250 users and 85% off after that on a standard plan. Unsure as to the Apache Foundation's legal status and how this would fall under it. https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/204368833-Slack-for-Nonprofits On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:20 AM Sid Anand <san...@apache.org> wrote: > Some good points. > > @Arthur Wiedmer <arthur.wied...@gmail.com> The Apache mailing list is > always the official record and Google indexes it well, so that any previous > discussions on the mailing lists are available to future generations. I > originally started this thread with the thought of having everyone on the > mailing list, but then I heard that people need some sort of near real-time > support in an try-fail-ask iterative fashion -- something that is not met > by the async nature of mailing lists. This might be for more people setting > up Airflow for the first time and hitting some stumbling blocks. We don't > want walled gardens for sure, but there seems to be a legitimate ask for > near real-time collaboration, so the discussion now is just Gitter vs > Slack. Slack does require registering, all be it pretty light-weight, but > offers a nice desktop client. > > @Bolke de Bruin <bdbr...@gmail.com> I'm concerned about the disruption to > the existing community as well. I'm hoping the vote here reveals that > concern in numbers. Also, why can't we shutdown the Gitter channel? At the > least, we can stop pointing to it. > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 7:55 AM William Horton > <william.hor...@compass.com.invalid> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > *William Horton* > > Backend Engineer > > > > 90 Fifth Avenue, 3rd Floor > > New York NY 10011 > > m: 404.432.8480 > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Ravi Kotecha <kotecha.r...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > -1 > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 2:01 PM Chandu Kavar <ccka...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, 10:30 AM Sid Anand <san...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks! > > > > > In the Apache tradition, I'd like to ask the community to vote on > > > > replacing > > > > > Gitter with Slack. > > > > > > > > > > For more information about what was recently discussed, refer to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8eeb6c46ec431b9158f87022ceaa5e > > > ed8dbaaf082c887dae55f86f96@%3Cdev.airflow.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to replace Gitter with Slack, vote +1. If you > want > > to > > > > > keep things they way they are, vote -1. You can also vote 0 if you > > > don't > > > > > care either way because you wouldn't use either much, preferring to > > use > > > > the > > > > > mailing list instead, which is highly encouraged as it is Apache's > > > > official > > > > > record. > > > > > > > > > > The vote will be open for 72 hours and will expire at 8p PT this > > > > Saturday. > > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > P.S. If the community votes for Slack, we could create our own > > > workspace > > > > > (e.g. airflow.slack.com). > > > > > P.P.S. In general, anyone in the community can launch a vote like > > this > > > > from > > > > > time to time. There is no binding/non-binding distinction since we > > are > > > > not > > > > > running an official Apache vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- [image: Astronomer Logo] <https://www.astronomer.io/> *Ben Gregory* Data Engineer Mobile: +1-615-483-3653 • Online: astronomer.io <https://www.astronomer.io/> Download our new ebook. <http://marketing.astronomer.io/guide/> From Volume to Value - A Guide to Data Engineering.
