Zexuan Luo <spacewan...@apache.org> 于2021年3月21日周日 下午2:18写道：
> I am not familiar with https://github.com/apache/skywalking-satellite. > Can we use this project to convert plain HTTP to GRPC? > Yes, it could. But the load of APISIX will keep the same. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 > > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> 于2021年3月21日周日 下午1:59写道： > > > > Oh, you mean that. > > SkyWalking natively provides HTTP APIs for nearly all protocols, even if > > not, we are happy to add. There is no block between APISIX and > SkyWalking. > > The point to discuss the gRPC service here is about the performance, > > including proto's no field name in transmission, enum as int, small int > as > > small, and especially streaming. > > If you want to implement ALS, then this is super important to provide > > better performance. > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > Chao Zhang <zchao1...@gmail.com> 于2021年3月21日周日 下午1:55写道： > > > > > It’s not so easy to use gRPC in APISIX as the lack of ecosystem, but > with > > > the help of gRPC gateway ( > https://github.com/grpc-ecosystem/grpc-gateway). > > > We can use the restful APIs to talk with gRPC endpoints. Just like the > way > > > APISIX communicates with ETCD V3 APIs. > > > > > > Chao Zhang > > > https://github.com/tokers > > > > > > On March 21, 2021 at 1:53:41 PM, Sheng Wu (wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com) > > > wrote: > > > > > > Chao Zhang <zchao1...@gmail.com> 于2021年3月21日周日 下午1:46写道： > > > > > > > Does the gRPC service enables grpc gateway? If so, it’s easy for > APISIX > > > to > > > > integrate it? > > > > > > > > > > What is the relationship with grpc gateway? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zexuan Luo <spacewan...@apache.org>于2021年3月21日 周日13:35写道： > > > > > > > > > Another solution is wrapping the C++ implementation of the GPRC > > > > > client. But it requires you to prebuild the proto file into *.c > source > > > > > and can only be distributed as part of apisix-openresty. > > > > > > > > > > Zexuan Luo <spacewan...@apache.org> 于2021年3月21日周日 下午1:25写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, there is not library support making GPRC directly. > > > > > > One solution is subrequest + http2grpc, but this way doesn't > support > > > > > > stream mode. So it is not a good solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > YuanSheng Wang <membp...@apache.org> 于2021年3月20日周六 下午10:53写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LGTM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest advantage of ALS, is replacing the physical local > > > > access > > > > > log > > > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The APISIX has a plugin `http-logger`, I think APISIX is easy > to > > > > report > > > > > > > those data to SkyWalking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I think we can try to use `gRPC` to report data. What do > > > > > > > you think? @ming @spacewander > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 11:43 PM Ming Wen <wenm...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cool, I think we can try ALS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>于2021年3月19日 周五下午11:21写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have run the Envoy ALS performance test a long time > ago(2 > > > > > years, I > > > > > > > > > think). Sadly, no public blog. > > > > > > > > > It could easily support 10k-20k/s traffic with a very low > load > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > proxy. But, it is based on gRPC, so basically, it doesn't > send > > > > many > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > out, mostly only flags and latency value. > > > > > > > > > APISIX is using HTTP1.1 mostly, so, this could be > different. > > > > > > > > > Also, at the same time, besides the ALS, we have a chance > to > > > > > provide a > > > > > > > > push > > > > > > > > > mode LUA SDK in skywalking meter format. It could provide > > > > URI-level > > > > > > > > metrics > > > > > > > > > at reasonable resource cost, especially it works with > > > SkyWalking > > > > > > > > satellite, > > > > > > > > > which could leverage local disk to cache the data. > > > > > > > > > The biggest advantage of ALS, is replacing the physical > local > > > > > access log > > > > > > > > > file. So you have metrics, topology(dependency), and logs > in > > > one > > > > > package > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to discuss most ALS in APISIX, I am glad to > help > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > design and integration solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ming Wen <wenm...@apache.org> 于2021年3月19日周五 下午11:08写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, Prometheus is not designed for URI-level metrics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does envoy ALS will send too much data and cause > performance > > > > > problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I know skywalking will supoort envoy WASM, is there > > > > anything > > > > > apisix > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > learn from this？ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>于2021年3月19日 > 周五下午8:11写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi APISIX & SkyWalking community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was discussing with Wei Jin about using Prometheus > SDK > > > to > > > > > monitor > > > > > > > > > > > URI-level metrics of APISIX/OpenResty. > > > > > > > > > > > Wei received feedback that way of using Prometheus SDK > > > > causing > > > > > > > > > > > a significant performance impact. From the > observability > > > > > perspective, > > > > > > > > > > Prom > > > > > > > > > > > is not good at gathering a large scale of entities' > > > metrics > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > local cache and pull mode. > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, we should consider providing a push way like > > > Envoy > > > > > ALS[1] > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Metrics Service[2] did(it does through gRPC, and > > > SkyWalking > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the prod environment. > > > > > > > > > > > If this is accepted and agreed by the APISIX > community, we > > > > > could look > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > implementation in the skywalking-nginx-lua[3] repo to > > > collect > > > > > > > > > > metrics(meter > > > > > > > > > > > in SkyWalking) and use HTTP(in SkyWalking native meter > > > > format) > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > report > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mail has been sent to dev@apisix.apache.org and > > > > > > > > > > > d...@skywalking.apache.org. Please reply all when you > > > discuss > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.envoyproxy.io/docs/envoy/latest/api-v2/config/accesslog/v2/als.proto > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.envoyproxy.io/docs/envoy/latest/api-v2/config/metrics/v2/metrics_service.proto > > > > > > > > > > > [3] https://github.com/apache/skywalking-nginx-lua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Ming Wen, Apache APISIX PMC Chair > > > > > > > > > > Twitter: _WenMing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Ming Wen, Apache APISIX PMC Chair > > > > > > > > Twitter: _WenMing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *MembPhis* > > > > > > > My GitHub: https://github.com/membphis > > > > > > > Apache APISIX: https://github.com/apache/apisix > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards > > > > Alex Zhang > > > > > > > > https://github.com/tokers > > > > https://github.com/upyun/upyun-resty > > > > > > > > > > >
