There is a: #define APR_WANT_MEMFUNC
in both apr_allocators and apr_pools. Both apr_pools and apr_thread* get included from various places. Once they are included their _H sentiniel is defined; making sure they are never included again. This seems to interact with the above; i.e. when you do not get apr_pools in early enough. Is this avoidable; can we warn for this ? Dw -- Dirk-Willem van Gulik