Hi, > If people can constrain to use UTF-8 for all the string data, > StringArray is enough for them. But if they cannot unify the character > encoding of string data in UTF-8, should Apache Arrow provides the > standard way of the character encoding management?
I think that Apache Arrow users should convert their string data to UTF-8 in their application. If Apache Arrow only supports UTF-8 string, Apache Arrow users can process string data without converting encoding between multiple systems. I think no conversion (zero-copy) use is Apache Arrow way. > My opinion is that Apache Arrow must have the standard way in both its > format and its API. The reason is below: > > (1) Currently, when we use MySQL or PostgreSQL as the data source of > record batch streams, we will lose the information of character > encodings the original data have Both MySQL and PostgreSQL provide encoding conversion feature. So we can convert the original data to UTF-8. MySQL: CONVERT function https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/cast-functions.html#function_convert PostgreSQL: convert_to function https://www.postgresql.org/docs/11/functions-string.html#id-1.5.8.9.7.2.2.8.1.1 If we need to support non UTF-8 encodings, I like NonUTF8String or something extension type and metadata approach. I prefer "ARROW:encoding" rather than "ARROW:charset" for metadata key too. Thanks, -- kou In <cahnzt+2r_gekw8cduhunripuyvuqf7xd_p5kwmn50qfzzlc...@mail.gmail.com> "[DISCUSS][FORMAT] Concerning about character encoding of binary string data" on Mon, 2 Sep 2019 17:39:22 +0900, Kenta Murata <m...@mrkn.jp> wrote: > [Abstract] > When we have a string data encoded in a character encoding other than > UTF-8, we must use a BinaryArray for the data. But Apache Arrow > doesn’t provide the way to specify what a character encoding used in a > BinaryArray. In this mail, I’d like to discuss how Apache Arrow > provides the way to manage a character encoding in a BinaryArray. > > I’d appreciate any comments or suggestions. > > [Long description] > Apache Arrow has the specialized type for UTF-8 encoded string but > doesn’t have types for other character encodings, such as ISO-8859-x > and Shift_JIS. We need to manage what a character encoding is used in > a binary string array, in the outside of the arrays such as metadata. > > In Datasets project, one of the goals is to support database > protocols. Some databases support a lot of character encodings in > each manner. For example, PostgreSQL supports to specify what a > character encoding is used for each database, and MySQL allows us to > specify character encodings separately for each level: database, > table, and column. > > I have a concern about how does Apache Arrow provide the way to > specify character encodings for values in arrays. > > If people can constrain to use UTF-8 for all the string data, > StringArray is enough for them. But if they cannot unify the character > encoding of string data in UTF-8, should Apache Arrow provides the > standard way of the character encoding management? > > The example use of Apache Arrow in such case is an application to the > internal data of OR mapper library, such as ActiveRecord of Ruby on > Rails. > > My opinion is that Apache Arrow must have the standard way in both its > format and its API. The reason is below: > > (1) Currently, when we use MySQL or PostgreSQL as the data source of > record batch streams, we will lose the information of character > encodings the original data have > > (2) We need to struggle to support character encoding treatment on > each combination of systems if we don’t have a standard way of > character encoding management, though this is not fit to Apache > Arrow’s philosophy > > (3) We cannot support character encoding treatment in the level of > language-binding if Apache Arrow doesn’t provide the standard APIs of > character encoding management > > There are two options to manage a character encoding in a BinaryArray. > The first way is introducing an optional character_encoding field in > BinaryType. The second way is using custom_metadata field to supply > the character encoding name. > > If we use custom_metadata, we should decide the key for this > information. I guess “charset” is good candidates for the key because > it is widely used for specifying what a character encoding is used. > The value must be the name of a character encoding, such as “UTF-8” > and “Windows-31J”. It is better if we can decide canonical encoding > names, but I guess it is hard work because many systems use the same > name for the different encodings. For example, “Shift_JIS” means > either IANA’s Shift_JIS or Windows-31J, they use the same coding rule > but the corresponding character sets are slightly different. See the > spreadsheet [1] for the correspondence of character encoding names > between MySQL, PostgreSQL, Ruby, Python, IANA [3], and Encoding > standard of WhatWG [4]. > > If we introduce the new optional field for the information of a > character encoding in BinaryType, I recommend let this new field be a > string to keep the name of a character encoding. But it is possible > to make the field integer and let it keep the enum value. I don’t > know there is a good standard for the enum value of character > encodings. IANA manages MIBenum [2], though the registered character > encodings [3] are not enough for our requirement, I think. > > I prefer the second way because the first way can supply the > information of character encoding only to a Field, not a BinaryArray. > > [1] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D0xlI5r2wJUV45aTY1q2TwqD__v7acmd8FOfr8xSOVQ/edit?usp=sharing > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3808 > [3] https://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets/character-sets.xhtml > [4] https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/ > > -- > Kenta Murata
