Thanks a lot Wes,

I am not sure how to proceed from here:

1. how do we generate the html from the xml? I.e.
https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/arrow-rust-ballista.html
2. how do I trigger the the process to start? can I just email the
incubator with the proposal?

Best,
Jorge



On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 10:38 AM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great, thanks for the update and pushing this forward. Let us know if
> you need help with anything.
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 8:26 PM Jorge Cardoso Leitão
> <jorgecarlei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Wes and Neils,
> >
> > Thank you for your feedback and offer. I have created the two .xml
> reports:
> >
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/ip-clearance/arrow-rust-experimental-arrow.xml
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/ip-clearance/arrow-rust-experimental-parquet.xml
> >
> > I based them on the report for Ballista. I also requested, on the PRs
> > [1,2], clarification wrt to every contributors' contributions to each.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jorge
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/arrow-experimental-rs-arrow2/pull/1
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/arrow-experimental-rs-parquet2/pull/1
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:55 PM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 1:47 AM Jorge Cardoso Leitão
> > > <jorgecarlei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot for your feedback. I agree with all the arguments put
> > > forward,
> > > > including Andrew's point about the large change.
> > > >
> > > > I tried a gradual 4 months ago, but it was really difficult and I
> gave
> > > up.
> > > > I estimate that the work involved is half the work of writing
> parquet2
> > > and
> > > > arrow2 in the first place. The internal dependency on ArrayData (the
> main
> > > > culprit of the unsafe) on arrow-rs is so prevalent that all core
> > > components
> > > > need to be re-written from scratch (IPC, FFI, IO, array/transform/*,
> > > > compute, SIMD). I personally do not have the motivation to do it,
> though.
> > > >
> > > > Jed, the public API changes are small for end users. A typical
> migration
> > > is
> > > > [1]. I agree that we can further reduce the change-set by keeping
> legacy
> > > > interfaces available.
> > > >
> > > > Andy, on my machine, the current benchmarks on query 1 yield:
> > > >
> > > > type, master (ms), PR [2] for arrow2+parquet2 (ms)
> > > > memory (-m): 332.9, 239.6
> > > > load (the initial time in -m with --format parquet): 5286.0, 3043.0
> > > > parquet format: 1316.1, 930.7
> > > > tbl format: 5297.3, 5383.1
> > > >
> > > > i.e. I am observing some improvements. Queries with joins are still
> > > slower.
> > > > The pruning of parquet groups and pages based on stats are not yet
> > > there; I
> > > > am working on them.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that this should go through IP clearance. I will start this
> > > > process. My thinking would be to create two empty repos on apache/*,
> and
> > > > create 2 PRs from the main branches of each of my repos to those
> repos,
> > > and
> > > > only merge them once IP is cleared. Would that be a reasonable
> process,
> > > Wes?
> > >
> > > This sounds plenty fine to me — I'm happy to assist with the IP
> > > clearance process having done it several times in the past. I don't
> > > have an opinion about the names, but having experimental- in the name
> > > sounds in line with the previous discussion we had about this.
> > >
> > > > Names: arrow-experimental-rs2 and arrow-experimental-rs-parquet2, or?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Jorge
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/pull/68/files#diff-2ec0d66fd16c73ff72a23d40186944591e040507c731228ad70b4e168e2a4660
> > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/pull/68
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 5:22 AM Josh Taylor <joshuatayl...@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I played around with it, for my use case I really like the new way
> of
> > > > > writing CSVs, it's much more obvious. I love the
> `read_stream_metadata`
> > > > > function as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm seeing a very slight speed (~8ms) improvement on my end, but I
> > > read a
> > > > > bunch of files in a directory and spit out a CSV, the bottleneck
> is the
> > > > > parsing of lots of files, but it's pretty quick per file.
> > > > >
> > > > > old:
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_0
> > > 120224
> > > > > bytes took 1ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_1
> > > 123144
> > > > > bytes took 1ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_10
> > > > > 17127928 bytes took 159ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_11
> > > > > 17127144 bytes took 160ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_12
> > > > > 17130352 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_13
> > > > > 17128544 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_14
> > > > > 17128664 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_15
> > > > > 17128328 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_16
> > > > > 17129288 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_17
> > > > > 17131056 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_18
> > > > > 17130344 bytes took 158ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_19
> > > > > 17128432 bytes took 160ms
> > > > >
> > > > > new:
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_0
> > > 120224
> > > > > bytes took 1ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_1
> > > 123144
> > > > > bytes took 1ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_10
> > > > > 17127928 bytes took 157ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_11
> > > > > 17127144 bytes took 152ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_12
> > > > > 17130352 bytes took 154ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_13
> > > > > 17128544 bytes took 153ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_14
> > > > > 17128664 bytes took 154ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_15
> > > > > 17128328 bytes took 153ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_16
> > > > > 17129288 bytes took 152ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_17
> > > > > 17131056 bytes took 153ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_18
> > > > > 17130344 bytes took 155ms
> > > > > /home/josh/staging/019c4715-3200-48fa-0000-4105000cd71e/data_0_0_19
> > > > > 17128432 bytes took 153ms
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to chunk the dirs to speed up the reads and throw it
> into a
> > > par
> > > > > iter.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 09:09, Josh Taylor <joshuatayl...@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using arrow/arrow-rs for a while now, my use case is to
> > > parse
> > > > > > Arrow streaming files and convert them into CSV.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rust has been an absolute fantastic tool for this, the
> performance is
> > > > > > outstanding and I have had no issues using it for my use case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would be happy to test out the branch and let you know what the
> > > > > > performance is like, as I was going to improve the current
> > > implementation
> > > > > > that i have for the CSV writer, as it takes a while for bigger
> > > datasets
> > > > > > (multi-GB).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Josh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:49, Jed Brown <j...@jedbrown.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Andy Grove <andygrov...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Looking at this purely from the DataFusion/Ballista point of
> view,
> > > > > what
> > > > > >> I
> > > > > >> > would be interested in would be having a branch of DF that
> uses
> > > arrow2
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > once that branch has all tests passing and can run queries
> with
> > > > > >> performance
> > > > > >> > that is at least as good as the original arrow crate, then cut
> > > over.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > However, for developers using the arrow APIs directly, I don't
> > > see an
> > > > > >> easy
> > > > > >> > path. We either try and gradually PR the changes in (which
> seems
> > > > > really
> > > > > >> > hard given that there are significant changes to APIs and
> internal
> > > > > data
> > > > > >> > structures) or we port some portion of the existing tests
> over to
> > > > > arrow2
> > > > > >> > and then make that the official crate once all test pass.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> How feasible would it be to make a legacy module in arrow2 that
> > > would
> > > > > >> enable (some large subset of) existing arrow users to try arrow2
> > > after
> > > > > >> adjusting their use statements? (That is, implement the
> > > public-facing
> > > > > >> legacy interfaces in terms of arrow2's new, safe interface.)
> This
> > > would
> > > > > >> make it easier to test with DataFusion/Ballista and external
> users
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> current arrow crate, then cut over and let those packages update
> > > > > >> incrementally from legacy to modern arrow2.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think it would be okay to tolerate some performance
> degradation
> > > when
> > > > > >> working through these legacy interfaces,so long as there was
> > > confidence
> > > > > >> that modernizing the callers would recover the performance (as
> tests
> > > > > have
> > > > > >> been showing).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

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