hi Jarek — since Plasma isn't really promoted as a standalone component in Ray (rather, it's an implementation detail of how Ray works — their documentation is FWIW out of date, claiming that Plasma is still being developed in Arrow), I'm not sure there is a particular conflict right now. Ray should update their documentation to eliminate references to Apache Arrow.
Thanks, Wes On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 7:39 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > > Thanks. Interesting story then with the back-forth moves. > > I wonder if there might be some confusion between then Ray "Plasma" and > Arrow "Plasma" (as they seem to be different now). I guess neither Ray nor > Arrow has the name "trademark" on it in any way (nice name BTW). Maybe (and > I am sure Ray founders are listening here ;) ) - there should be some > effort from Ray to trademark it and get some nice "Rename > agreement/clarification" with Arrow since Arrow does not seem to care :) ? > > The reason I am suggesting it, is when I first heard of it, and searched, > and asked my friend - he mentioned to me that it WILL be forked in the > future but it's the same now. Which I understand already happened and it's > not the same already. > > I only found out the story by knowing the Apache Way and digging > 8 month > back in the devlist. So - just a suggestion - maybe worth clarifying it as > Ray becomes more and more popular - both Arrow community and Ray might > suffer due to people understanding the relation and state differently and > jumping to assumptions (as my friend did). > > J. > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 2:18 PM Neal Richardson <neal.p.richard...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Jarek, > > Your understanding sounds about right to me. That said, we are still > > building and shipping Plasma for those that have come to depend on it and > > will continue to do so unless/until it becomes a maintenance burden. But no > > one active in the Arrow community is working on Plasma. > > > > Neal > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 3:07 AM Jarek Potiuk <pot...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Hello Arrow Community, > > > > > > We've had a very interesting talk at the Apache Airflow Summit about > > > Airflow + Ray (which is really cool BTW and I am looking forward to > > > capabilities it will give to Airflow) and we had some discussions that > > > followed. From what I understand (maybe I am wrong?) the Plasma which was > > > initially developed in Ray, then contributed to Arrow, and then ( > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r65b2852e4cddb1af8bff06d789bf3822d67777c5dfcd481414acd3d7%40%3Cdev.arrow.apache.org%3E > > ) > > > forked (?) by Ray and is kind-of abandoned in Arrow and not really > > > maintained in Arrow any more (and likely Ray version and Arrow version > > are > > > not compatible /exchangeable). > > > > > > Is this correct understanding ? Any more comments or maybe explanation > > > what is the relation between Arrow's Plasma and Ray's Plasma? > > > > > > Just to explain my interest - I am a PMC of Apache Airflow, I am an > > > independent Open-Source contributor and advisor, and I am genuinely > > > interested in Open-source business models and rationale of stakeholders > > and > > > how this plays out with individuals and the ASF/PMC and I wanted to > > > understand the current state of Plasma :) > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > +48 660 796 129
