Hey Ryan! On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 19:28 Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> wrote:
> Hey there! I'm motivated to see this happen too :D > > I suggest that we use AVRO-2175 to track anything we'd like to see > before switching and AVRO-3264 to collect improvements that can wait > until afterwards. I'm convinced that refreshing the site will > encourage others to improve it. > I don't have access to my ASF account at the moment, so I won't be able to update the tickets this week. > Here are the things that I'd like to see before the switch, almost all > related to deciding where and how to put things: > > 1) Ensure that we don't break existing links during the migration. > > For example https://avro.apache.org/releases.html versus > https://avro-website.netlify.app/project/download/ The new website has a special page for news: https://avro-website.netlify.app/blog/news/ I'll add all entries from the old releases.html! > > 2) Decide how we are going to deal with existing web resources. > > The existing resources under https://avro.apache.org/docs/ are > more-or-less like artifacts from the release, generated from the > release source code. I don't think we should be modifying or removing > them. > > The new specification in markdown format should be published for the > next release 1.11.1 or 1.12.0. There's a bit of discussion at [PR#4] > and [PR#6] with dealing with "old" resources -- it's not sustainable > to include them as Hugo static resources OK! I can easily reuse the current/1.11.0 docs for the upcoming 1.11.1 and/or 1.12.0! The links for the previous versions will point to SVN. > 3) Decide where and how to host what we've built. > > Currently, updating the website only happens on a release (there's no > way to see SNAPSHOT documentation), and by manually updating the > contents at https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/avro/site/publish/ > > I do like what flink is doing with https://nightlies.apache.org/flink/ > (with different versions built and hosted per-minor release and for > master). Would this be the right way to go? How would this work with > the existing structure in svn, or in an asf-site branch or repository? > I'm OK with requiring manual intervention at first, but it would be > great if the nightlies were automated quickly. > A GitHub Action workflow can do all this! But we'll have to have branch-1.11.1 instead of just branch-1.11. > All my best and thanks for pushing this forward! > One more thing: the new site has client-side search functionality. I like it a lot but it adds a lot of pressure on Git. It uses a unique name for a rather big JSON file, i.e. after any update one needs to remove the previous JSON file from Git and add the new one. And this also touches all other generated HTML files, because they include it. I suggest to disable the search functionality! > Ryan > > > [PR#4]: https://github.com/martin-g/avro-website/pull/4 > [PR#6]: https://github.com/martin-g/avro-website/pull/64 > [AVRO-2175]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-2175 > [AVRO-3264]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3264 > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind > <os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > +1 from me for moving to the new website > > > > You've done a great job! > > > > > > -- > > Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > Op di 25 jan. 2022 08:36 schreef Martin Grigorov <mgrigo...@apache.org>: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Shall we replace the old website with the new one ? > > > > > > I will have time to work on it next week, so if we decide what to do > then I > > > could do it all by myself with my new superpowers (committership!) > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 1:51 PM Martin Grigorov <mgrigo...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:38 AM Martin Grigorov < > mgrigo...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Ryan, > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:36 PM Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hello! > > > >>> > > > >>> I realized that I haven't commented on this mailing list thread -- > I > > > >>> made some comments on > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-2175 > > > >>> > > > >>> This looks amazing and we should merge it very soon :D It's not > > > >>> perfect, but it's really a great improvement and definitely not > worst > > > >>> than the existing website! > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been taking a look at what we need to use the existing > > > >>> infrastructure, and there's interesting links at: > > > >>> > > > >>> - https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html > > > >>> - > > > >>> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+-+.asf.yaml+features > > > >>> - https://infra.apache.org/website-guidelines.html > > > >>> - https://infra.apache.org/project-site.html > > > >>> > > > >>> I like that Beam has the website in the main repo, but notably the > > > >>> INFRA recommendation is that we use a separate repo for the website > > > >>> (named `avro-site` though). Any thoughts? It's always something > we > > > >>> can try and change later! Would it make it easier for the javadoc > and > > > >>> other languages if they were in the same repo, or does it make > little > > > >>> difference? > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> Since some docs are generated by other tools (C/C++/C#) and they > need to > > > >> be copied to the rest of the website I agree that it would be > easier if > > > the > > > >> website is in the main repo! > > > >> Also any changes to the spec/IDL will be in one PR (same repo) > instead > > > of > > > >> two (main+website). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> The old site actually contains all of the documentation for EVERY > > > >>> release, which can be found here: > > > >>> > > > >>> - https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/avro/site/publish/docs/ > > > >>> - https://avro.apache.org/docs/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Would it be tricky to adjust your work to mirror the existing > > > >>> structure for existing docs? I'm not even too fussy about not > > > >>> breaking the links in /docs/current/ but all of the existing pages > > > >>> such as /docs/1.7.7/ should be maintained if possible! > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> I could make the "Documention" nav tab into a dropdown with menu > items, > > > >> one for each version. > > > >> 1.11.0 and 1.10.2, and any future release, will be proper Markdown > > > >> documents. The menu items for all previous versions will be links > to the > > > >> respective folder at https://avro.apache.org/docs/. > > > >> > > > > > > > > Done! > > > > https://avro-website.netlify.app/ > > > > > > > > > > > >> If someone wants to migrate some more old docs to Markdown then > please > > > >> fork the repo and send a PR! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> There's so many good suggestions here for future work and improving > > > >>> our message and communication, I created > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3264 to point to this > > > >>> discussion after we get this up. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks again for your great work! > > > >>> > > > >>> Ryan > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:26 PM Lee Hambley <lee.hamb...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I speak only for myself, but I am working in an environment > where I > > > am > > > >>> regularly checking docs all the way back to 1.8.x because we have > > > legacy > > > >>> systems we cannot upgrade, and I am often referencing rules about > > > schema > > > >>> canonical form. I value a lot the sidebar bottom version switching > > > >>> navigation from sites such as here > > > >>> > > > > https://fastavro.readthedocs.io/en/latest/writer.html#using-the-record-hint-to-specify-which-branch-of-a-union-to-take > > > >>> ... but I know it can be extraordinarily difficult to make it work > > > >>> correctly with these static site generators. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Lee Hambley > > > >>> > http://lee.hambley.name/ > > > >>> > +49 (0) 170 298 5667 > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 at 16:23, Martin Grigorov < > mgrigo...@apache.org> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 5:04 PM Ismaël Mejía <ieme...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> Wow this is pretty neat ! Nice job Martin! A modern website can > > > >>> >>> encourage more contributions. > > > >>> >>> I am more interested on content than aesthetics first. Is > > > everything > > > >>> >>> already migrated? Anything missing? Any issue to report? > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Everything is migrated for the documentation of the *current* > > > version. > > > >>> >> The old site contains documentation for both current and > current-1. > > > >>> Is this something you would like to preserve ? > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:01 PM Martin Grigorov < > > > mgrigo...@apache.org> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > Hi, > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > Anyone willing to send a PR with the suggested improvement? > > > >>> >>> > Or at least open an issue with the well formulated text and I > > > will > > > >>> add it! > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > Regards, > > > >>> >>> > Martin > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 18:08 Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > > >>> os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> Hi, > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> This is a huge improvement. Responsive, excellent > navigation, > > > >>> syntax > > > >>> >>> >> highlighting, ... > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> The only downside I see was already mentioned by Lee: the > > > landing > > > >>> page is > > > >>> >>> >> too empty (also in a mobile browser). > > > >>> >>> >> I think we could really benefit from mentioning the unique > > > >>> selling point of > > > >>> >>> >> Avro here: "Your Data. Any Time, Anywhere." And then > mention the > > > >>> language > > > >>> >>> >> availability & excellent schema evolution. > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> Kind regards, > > > >>> >>> >> Oscar > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:43, Martin Grigorov < > > > >>> mgrigo...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >>> >>> >> > > > >>> >>> >> > Hi all, > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> >> > Please check the new candidate for Apache Avro website: > > > >>> >>> >> > https://avro-website.netlify.app/ > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> >> > It is based on Hugo and uses Docsy theme. > > > >>> >>> >> > Its source code and instructions how to build could be > found > > > at > > > >>> >>> >> > https://github.com/martin-g/avro-website. > > > >>> >>> >> > The JIRA ticket is: > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-2175 > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> >> > I am not web designer, so some things may look not > finished. > > > >>> >>> >> > I've just copied the HTML content from the old site ( > > > >>> >>> >> > https://avro.apache.org/) and converted it to Markdown > for > > > >>> Hugo. > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> >> > Any feedback is welcome! With Pull Requests would be > awesome! > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> >> > Regards, > > > >>> >>> >> > Martin > > > >>> >>> >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >
