On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Dan Halperin
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I think this is an unrealistic request -- Python and Java workflows are
> completely different, and Python developer documentation is especially
> abysmal.

We should improve this for sure.

> (E.g., I had to have Robert sit with me to get the Python SDK to work at
> all on my developer machine, and even then I gave up and chmod-ed my
> machine-wide Python repos to be world-writable to get it to work.)

FWIW, this is only because of trying to use our Maven pom files
(which, among other things, are virtualenv-incompatible) to work on
Python.

> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Ahmet Altay <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I mentioned this in the PR, I believe it is worth repeating here.
>>
>> It is important to keep the API consistent between Python and Java. It
>> would help a lot, if changes are applied to both SDKs at the same time. If
>> that is not possible, an easier alternative would be to file a JIRA issue
>> so that the work could be tracked in the other SDK.
>>
>> Ahmet
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Robert Bradshaw <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > I see this was implemented. Do we have a policy/guideline for when a
>> > name is "bad enough" to merit renaming (and keeping a duplicate,
>> > deprecated member around for a year or more).
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Robert Bradshaw <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Ben Chambers
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Exposing the CombineFn is necessary for use with composed combine or
>> > >> combining value state. There may be other reasons we made this
>> visible,
>> > >> but
>> > >> these continue to justify it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > These are the CompareFns, not the CombineFns.
>> > >
>> > > It'd be nicer to use the Guava and/or Java8 natural ordering
>> comparables,
>> > > but they don't promise serializable.
>> > >
>> > > I agree the naming is unfortunate, but I don't know that it's bad
>> enough
>> > to
>> > > introduce a new name and have duplication and deprecation in the API.
>> It
>> > > also goes deeper than this; Top.of(...) gives elements in *decreasing*
>> > order
>> > > while List.sort(...) gives elements in *increasing* order so using a
>> > > comparator in one will always produce the opposite effect of using a
>> > > comparator in the other.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, May 14, 2017, 1:00 PM Reuven Lax <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I believe the reason why this is called Top.largest, is that
>> > originally
>> > >> > it
>> > >> > was simply the comparator used by Top.largest - i.e. and
>> > implementation
>> > >> > detail. At some point it was made public and used by other
>> transforms
>> > -
>> > >> > maybe making an implementation detail a public class was the real
>> > >> > mistake?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Davor Bonaci <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > I agree this is an unfortunate name.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Tangential: can we rename APIs now that the first stable release
>> is
>> > >> > nearly
>> > >> > > done?
>> > >> > > Of course -- the "rename" can be done by introducing a new API,
>> and
>> > >> > > deprecating, but not removing, the old one. Then, once we decide
>> to
>> > >> > > move
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > > the next major release, the deprecated API can be removed.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I think we should probably do the "rename" at some point, but I'd
>> > >> > > leave
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > final call to the wider consensus.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Wesley Tanaka
>> > >> > > <[email protected]
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Using Top.Largest to sort a list of {2,1,3} produces {1,2,3}.
>> > This
>> > >> > > > matches the javadoc for the class, but seems counter-intuitive
>> --
>> > >> > > > one
>> > >> > > might
>> > >> > > > expect that a Comparator called Largest would give largest items
>> > >> > > > first.
>> > >> > > > I'm wondering if renaming the classes to Natural / Reversed
>> would
>> > >> > better
>> > >> > > > match their behavior?
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > ---
>> > >> > > > Wesley Tanaka
>> > >> > > > https://wtanaka.com/
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>

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