A tangent on the "build custom ventilators" suggestion: how they get sterilized. Many of the materials for ad-hoc 3D printing can't be used for medical purposes because they can't be sterilized properly, or aren't bio compatible if the equipment needs to be implanted.
This thread tree covers a lot of it. https://twitter.com/turzaak/status/1239544498553860096?s=19 Medical science is hard. Let's go distribute computation! On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 4:12 PM Jan Lukavský <[email protected]> wrote: > There are questions regarding privacy that cannot be overlooked, yes. We > still have to keep user data secure, but that doesn't have to necessarily > be a blocker. I started this thread to collect exactly these suggestions > and to brainstorm around the (hackathon based) solutions to that, if we > need data from mobile operators, these *might* be possible to get, once we > prove we can keep them secure and targeted only on single purpose. I'm > pretty sure we have people on this mailing list capable of making this data > accessible (e.g. I might be one of them). > On 3/19/20 12:01 AM, Alex Amato wrote: > > Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple web > architecture would be fastest to setup. > > But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a > phone number with some operators to collect their information, then it > could be possible to get those users assistance. > There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and > publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate that. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a >> little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people >> who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in >> reasonable time? >> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote: >> >> Here is one thing many people could do: >> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone >> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk >> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist >> that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order >> online if they don't know how. >> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone >> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick. >> >> More technical and farfetched idea: >> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of >> respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital, >> though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to >> if there is no other option). >> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a >> crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few. >> Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be >> possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this. >> Helping them get supplies and funds is another option. >> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/ >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and >>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not >>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about >>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for >>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we >>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take >>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe) >>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be: >>> >>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better >>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can >>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks? >>> >>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any >>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies, >>> missing work force, ...) >>> >>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for >>> this? >>> >>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time >>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no >>> "local" solution to this, currently. >>> >>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free >>> to add any thoughts. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jan >>> >>>
