I understand that watermarks are concurrently advanced, and that they are 
estimates and not precise. but I’m not sure this is relevant in this case. In 
this repro code we are in processElement() and the watermark HAS advanced but 
the timer has not been called even though we asked the runtime to do that. In 
this case we are in a per-key stateful operating mode and our timer should not 
be shared with any other runners (is that correct?) so it seems to me that we 
should be able to operate in a manner that is locally consistent from the point 
of view of the DoFn we are writing. That is to say, _before_ we enter 
processElement we check any local timers first. I would argue that this would 
be far more sensible from the authors perspective.

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Date: Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:57 PM
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Subject: Re: Stateful Pardo Question

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:08 PM [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So, after some additional digging, it appears that Beam does not consistently 
check for timer expiry before calling process. The result is that it may be the 
case that the watermark has moved beyond your timer expiry, and if youre 
counting on the timer callback happening at the time you set it for, that 
simply may NOT have happened when you are in DoFn.process(). You can “fix” the 
behavior by simply checking the watermark manually in process() and doing what 
you would normally do for timestamp exipry before proceeding. See my latest 
updated code reproducing the issue and showing the fix at  
https://github.com/randomsamples/pardo_repro.

I would argue that users of this API will naturally expect that timer callback 
semantics will guarantee that when they are in process(), if the current 
watermark is past a timers expiry that the timer callback in question will have 
been called. Is there any reason why this isn’t happening? Am I 
misunderstanding something?

Timers do not expire synchronously with the watermark advancing. So if you have 
a timer set for 12pm and the watermark advances past 12pm, that timer is now 
eligible to fire, but might not fire immediately. Some other elements may 
process before that timer fires.

There are multiple reasons for this, but one is that Beam does not guarantee 
that watermark advancement is synchronous with element processing. The 
watermark might advance suddenly while in the middle processing an element, or 
at any other time. This makes it impossible (or at least, exceedingly 
difficult) to really provide the guarantee you expected.

Reuven

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Yeah, unless I am misunderstanding something. The output from my repro code 
shows event timestamp and the context timestamp every time we process an event.

Receiving event at: 2000-01-01T00:00:00.000Z
Resetting timer to : 2000-01-01T00:15:00.000Z
Receiving event at: 2000-01-01T00:05:00.000Z
Resetting timer to : 2000-01-01T00:20:00.000Z <-- Shouldn’t the timer have 
fired before we processed the next event?
Receiving event at: 2000-01-01T00:40:00.000Z
Why didnt the timer fire?
Resetting timer to : 2000-01-01T00:55:00.000Z
Receiving event at: 2000-01-01T00:45:00.000Z
Resetting timer to : 2000-01-01T01:00:00.000Z
Receiving event at: 2000-01-01T00:50:00.000Z
Resetting timer to : 2000-01-01T01:05:00.000Z
Timer firing at: 2000-01-01T01:05:00.000Z

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Are you sure that there is a 15 minute gap in your data?

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 6:20 AM [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am confused about the behavior of timers on a simple stateful pardo. I have 
put together a little repro here: https://github.com/randomsamples/pardo_repro

I basically want to build something like a session window, accumulating events 
until quiescence of the stream for a given key and gap time, then output 
results. But it appears that the timer is not firing when the watermark is 
passed it expiration time, so the event stream is not being split as I would 
have expected. Would love some help getting this work, the behavior is for a 
project I’m working on.

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