$.02 Most important is community to maintain it. It cannot be a separate project or subproject (lots of ASF projects have this, so they share governance) without that.
To add additional friction of separate release and dependency in build before you have community, it should be extremely stable so you upgrade rarely. See the process of upgrading our vendored deps. It is considerable. Kenn On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:07 PM Stephan Hoyer <sho...@google.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:12 AM Chad Dombrova <chad...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> I think the main goal would be to make a python package that could be pip >> installed independently of apache_beam. That goal could be accomplished >> with option 3, thus preserving all of the benefits of a monorepo. If it >> gains enough popularity and contributors outside of the Beam community, >> then options 1 and 2 could be considered to make it easier to foster a new >> community of contributors. >> > > This sounds like a lovely goal! > > I'll just mention the "fsspec" Python project, which came out of Dask: > https://filesystem-spec.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > > As far as I can tell, it serves basically this exact same purpose (generic > filesystems with high-performance IO), and has started to get some traction > in other projects, e.g., it's now used in pandas. I don't know if it would > be suitable for Beam, but it might be worth a try. > > Cheers, > Stephan > > >> Beam has a lot of great tech in it, and it makes me think of Celery, >> which is a much older python project of a similar ilk that spawned a series >> of useful independent projects: kombu [1], an AMQP messaging library, and >> billiard [2], a multiprocessing library. >> >> Obviously, there are a number of pros and cons to consider. The cons are >> pretty clear: even within a monorepo it will make the Beam build more >> complicated. The pros are a bit more abstract. The fileIO project could >> appeal to a broader audience, and act as a signpost for Beam (on PyPI, >> etc), thereby increasing awareness of Beam amongst the types of >> cloud-friendly python developers who would need the fileIO package. >> >> -chad >> >> [1] https://github.com/celery/kombu >> [2] https://github.com/celery/billiard >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 7:57 AM Brian Hulette <bhule...@google.com> >> wrote: >> >>> That's an interesting idea. What do you mean by its own project? A >>> couple of possibilities: >>> - Spinning off a new ASF project >>> - A separate Beam-governed repository (e.g. apache/beam-filesystems) >>> - More clearly separate it in the current build system and release >>> artifacts that allow it to be used independently >>> >>> Personally I'd be resistant to the first two (I am a Google engineer and >>> I like monorepos after all), but I don't see a major problem with the last >>> one, except that it gives us another surface to maintain. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:38 PM Chad Dombrova <chad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a random idea, but the whole file IO system inside Beam would >>>> actually be awesome to extract into its own project. IIRC, it’s not >>>> particularly tied to Beam. >>>> >>>> I’m not saying this should be done now, but it’s be nice to keep it >>>> mind for a future goal. >>>> >>>> -chad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM Pablo Estrada <pabl...@google.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That would be great to add, Matt. Of course it's important to make >>>>> this backwards compatible, but other than that, the addition would be very >>>>> welcome. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:41 AM Matt Rudary <matt.rud...@twosigma.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a quick sketch of a proposal – I wanted to get a sense of >>>>>> whether there’s general support for this idea before fleshing it out >>>>>> further, getting internal approvals, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m working with multiple storage systems that speak the S3 api. I >>>>>> would like to support FileIO operations for these storage systems, but >>>>>> S3FileSystem hardcodes the s3 scheme (the various systems use different >>>>>> URI >>>>>> schemes) and it is in any case impossible to instantiate more than one in >>>>>> the current design. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’d like to refactor the code in org.apache.beam.sdk.io.aws.s3 (and >>>>>> maybe …aws.options) somewhat to enable this use-case. I haven’t worked >>>>>> out >>>>>> the details yet, but it will take some thought to make this work in a >>>>>> non-hacky way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt Rudary >>>>>> >>>>>
