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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Ivan Kelly <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since there have been no concrete amendments proposed, I'm going to submit
> as is. It can always be updated later, but they wanted the report by today.
>
> -Ivan
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Flavio Junqueira <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I appreciate that good and coherent documentation is important.
> > Documentation in open-source projects tend to be continuously evolving,
> so
> > if you're going to wait for that to be done before you do anything else,
> > then we are going be like this for a long time. What I have stated needs
> to
> > happen in parallel with the documentation evolving or at least
> > presentations and blog posts. That's what many other successful projects
> > have done and do, so I'm not sure why you think we'll do well by not
> doing
> > it.
> >
> > People also tend to get inspired by use cases even if they don't fully
> > understand the mechanics of the underlying system. They will correlate a
> > use case with their reality, possibly get curious and go learn more. From
> > what I've seen, a lot of people end up getting involved in projects after
> > they see a discussion about a similar use case that has been used
> > successfully. Good documentation definitely helps once we have attracted
> > the attention of a developer.
> >
> > I'm fine with not having frequently releases if we don't have a good flow
> > of contributions, but once we start having more contributions, it is
> > important that users see their contributions in releases.
> >
> > Finally, it is good if the report includes more than just the immediate
> > stuff we need to do. Including a long term plan for developing the
> > community would be a nice addition and I've already stated what I believe
> > is important.
> >
> > -Flavio
> >
> >
> > > On 09 Dec 2014, at 17:59, Ivan Kelly <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think, before any of that, we need coherent and complete user
> > documentation. Almost all the committers we have, have come because they
> > have used a system that used bookkeeper, and needed to understand what
> > bookkeeper was doing. None have come from the perspective of wanting to
> > build a new system with it.
> > >
> > > Right now, if someone came to the site and tried build something with
> > bookkeeper, they'd lost. We need to make it so that someone with only a
> > cursory knowledge of distributed systems can get started. Once that
> barrier
> > is down, getting more people and usecases should be easier.
> > >
> > > -Ivan
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Flavio Junqueira
> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> > > The options I know for community growth are:
> > > - Frequent releases to make sure we incorporate patches of the various
> > contributors and so that we can new committers joining.- Talks in various
> > visible events like ApacheCon, Strata, etc.- Meetups in different
> locations
> > to attract new contributors.
> > > - Blog posts about the project, use cases, etc.
> > > Increasing the frequency of releases is probably a good idea, something
> > like one every 3-4 months just to have a reference.
> > > -Flavio
> > >
> >
> >
>

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