1. Same as Hadrian - mostly neutral, slight preference to oab.api.*
2. +1 for oab.core.* Adding core to the duplicated package names only will be 
inconsistent.

>>>> We should also review what is public (i.e. what packages should be
>>>> exported). For example, is core's brooklyn.internal.* definitely not
>>>> used by any other projects?

It is used across modules. When OSGi-fying we had to include it explicitly in 
the list of exported packages (internal packages are ignored by default).

Svet.


> On 7.08.2015 г., at 1:49, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Agree on all counts. Especially on getting more opinions on this topic.
> 
> Your memory serves you well :). The situation you described is not a split 
> package.
> 
> I'd suggest staying on this thread, but identify issues separately, discuss 
> them separately and decide later how to deal with contentions, because 
> hopefully there won't be the case. So I will start with capturing:
> 
> 1. How to deal with ./api? In general I have a slight preference towards 
> making things explicit. In this case I am mostly neutral. I would be fine 
> with either aob.* or oab.api.*. There is a bit of a grey area, I think for 
> packages like oab.entity.*, say .trait. A user would not know immediately 
> what bundle implements that, especially if we'd have stuff in oab.entity.core 
> (or whatever other convention we come up with).
> 
> 2. What is the convention for implementations in multiple bundles? Should it 
> be for example: oab.entity.core.* or oab.core.entity.* or something else? My 
> preference would be oab.core.entity.*. The motivation is that a human user 
> would be able to quickly guess that the package is implemented in 
> brooklyn-core. Computers and tools don't care much.
> 
> Cheers,
> Hadrian
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2015 04:48 PM, Aled Sage wrote:
>> Remind me: it doesn't count as split packages if org.apache.brooklyn.entity 
>> is in one module and org.apache.brooklyn.entity.core is in another?
>> 
>> On balance, I'd prefer api module to be the odd one out: not to include .api 
>> in the package names.
>> 
>> I'm a fan of simple interface names. IMO it reads nicer/simpler if you miss 
>> out api.
>> 
>> I could be argued round though.
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a big *one-off decision*.
>> 
>> I'm keen to get more people's opinions!
>> 
>> Aled
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 17:32, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree. I am not sure what the best structure is, we can refine it while 
>>> we do the refactoring. For the api part though (which is my focus now) how 
>>> do you feel about org.apache.brooklyn.api?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hadrian
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 08/06/2015 11:56 AM, Aled Sage wrote:
>>>> Hi Hadrian,
>>>> 
>>>> +1; makes sense to fix the split-package problem for the 0.8.0 release.
>>>> 
>>>> These should be different PRs from the org.apache.brooklyn, so that they
>>>> can be reviewed accordingly.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll need to look again at the packages to give a definite opinion on
>>>> naming. It's probably not as simple as org.apache.brooklyn.core.* in
>>>> ./core:
>>>> 
>>>>  * There are utility classes in core named brooklyn.util.*, which
>>>>    should be compared with the brooklyn-util-common
>>>>    (main difference is that many utils in core have dependencies on
>>>>    other things in core, rather than being truly independent utils).
>>>>  * I'd like us to extract the core tasks framework
>>>>    (brooklyn.util.tasks) to its own module.
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> We should also review what is public (i.e. what packages should be
>>>> exported). For example, is core's brooklyn.internal.* definitely not
>>>> used by any other projects?
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> An alternative approach (definitely less appealing for me long term)
>>>> would be to use OSGi fragments. I think something like that was done in
>>>> the early days of OSGi'ifying jclouds, but don't recall the details off
>>>> hand. There's an e-mail thread [1] and a blog post about it [2].
>>>> 
>>>> Aled
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jclouds-dev/FdsbfELc1o0
>>>> [2] http://iocanel.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/osgification-good-bad-purist.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 06/08/2015 15:50, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I opened a new jira [1] for this. While doing my refactoring in ./api
>>>>> I discovered quite a bunch of places where we have split packages
>>>>> among api, utils, core, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would recommend using something like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> org.apache.brooklyn.api.* in ./api
>>>>> org.apache.brooklyn.core.* in ./core
>>>>> 
>>>>> and so forth. There are also a bunch of circular dependencies and
>>>>> other smaller issues that we should correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>> Hadrian
>>>> 
>>>> 


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