I don't think the idea of 2 major releases in a year will fly. I am personally 
against it until somebody convinces me otherwise.

I agree as well, that camel should move to spring 3.0. I am not convinced that 
it absolutely implies a major release of camel (3.0). At this time I don't have 
a strong preference on this issue.

Hadrian


On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:

> I have no problem with a 3.0 release for spring and jkd upgrades.  I also 
> like the idea that camel 3.x needs spring 3.x.
> 
> To also be able to do some breaking changes in the near future I propose to 
> do a 4.0 release earlier than planned. I think end of Q2 2011 could be 
> reasonable. We can start experimenting in a branch asap and try to settle on 
> the featureset for 4.0 till end of Q1. Then we should have enough time to 
> make it stable.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> Am 19.10.2010 16:21, schrieb James Strachan:
>> On 19 October 2010 15:06, Hadrian Zbarcea<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>> If you think it's a good idea, and I agree, then 3.0 *is* the right time to 
>>> do it. It's some 5-6 months away, there's plenty of time and I expect us to 
>>> get a lot of help from the growing community.
>>> 
>>> Pushing this for 4.0 is much less realistic, we won't have another major 
>>> release in 2011. I also agree that we should be backwards compatible as 
>>> much as possible, but the truth is this is a major version and should come 
>>> with major improvements. Moving to a major release of a dependent jar, is 
>>> not a major improvement we do it all the time (even if the dependency is 
>>> spring).
>>> 
>>> We need to first agree how 3.0 will be a major improvement.
>> We've already said, moving (like many of our dependencies) to Spring 3
>> and JDK 6 is a pretty big jump folks need to be aware of; its not a
>> minor incremental feature release.
>> 
>> 
>>> Setting a release time and have that contain whatever we manage to code 
>>> until then sounds to me like Microsoft in its early days.
>> I've no idea what you're talking about to be honest. Why are you so
>> hung up with clinging to 2.6 when we're making a clear, big dependency
>> jump to Java 6 and Spring 3?
>> 
>> Try putting yourself in the position of a user; in Camel up to now you
>> can move from 2.x to 2.(x+1) without worrying too much about it, it
>> mostly just works. For 3.x we want folks to ponder for second about
>> JDK and Spring dependencies. OK?
>> 
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