I'm ok with deprecating the classes :-)

Il ven 8 gen 2021, 08:48 Otavio Rodolfo Piske <angusyo...@gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> Just to clarify one point, because I don't want to sound pushy and I may
> have misunderstood you.
>
> I was originally talking about marking as deprecated and suggested a
> timeline for removing it. I interpreted your reply as a comment for both
> (deprecating and removing).
>
> If you commented about the deprecation (ie: marking the classes as
> deprecated), then, please ignore my reply: I got your point.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:34 AM Otavio Rodolfo Piske <angusyo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Andrea.
> >
> > I was thinking: how about we only mark the classes as deprecated for now?
> > Therefore we start to gently encourage users to look at test-infra.
> >
> > In my original email I mentioned removing them before the next LTS, but,
> > indeed, this may be way too soon.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:49 PM Andrea Cosentino <anco...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I use test-infra stuff even at ckc but before deprecating the
> >> testcontainers components I'd like to have feedback from existing
> users..
> >>
> >> Il mar 5 gen 2021, 11:36 Otavio Rodolfo Piske <angusyo...@gmail.com> ha
> >> scritto:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Claus! That's a good point and I haven't written much - other
> >> than
> >> > the pre 3.7 release doc update - about it.
> >> >
> >> > Let me show what a conversion from the camel-testcontainer to
> >> > camel-test-infra would look like ... I am using the work on camel-nats
> >> as
> >> > an example and we can compare how the base test class for nats changed
> >> > between 3.6.x [1] and 3.7.x [2].
> >> >
> >> > The first conversion step is to replace the camel-testcontainer
> >> > dependencies [3] with the ones from the test-infra module [4]. Then,
> >> it's
> >> > necessary to replace the container handling code and the old base
> class
> >> [5]
> >> > with the service provided in the module. It's important to register it
> >> as a
> >> > JUnit 5 extension [6]. Then, we replace the ContainerAwareTestSupport
> >> (and
> >> > similar classes from other camel-testcontainer modules) with
> >> > CamelTestSupport (or the spring based one) as it is not needed
> anymore.
> >> >
> >> > The next step is to make sure that addresses (URLs, hostnames, ports,
> >> etc)
> >> > and resources (usernames, passwords, tokens, etc) referenced during
> the
> >> > test execution, use the test-infra services. This may differ according
> >> to
> >> > each service. Replacing the call to get the service URL [7] with the
> one
> >> > provided by the test infra service [8] is a good example of this.
> >> >
> >> > This was the bulk of the work for the Camel code base.
> >> >
> >> > There are a few other cases which may require extra attention/work.
> They
> >> > were not so common, but to highlight:
> >> >
> >> > - It may be necessary to adjust the variables used in simple language
> >> [9]
> >> > so that they match the property format used in the test infra service
> >> [10]
> >> > (as was the case for camel-consul).
> >> > - There are some cases where the container instance requires extra
> >> > customization [11]. The code still benefits from the test-infra
> >> approach,
> >> > but this may be very specific to the test scenario [12] .
> >> >
> >> > All in all, it's not a significantly complicated task but it's not a
> >> > drop-in replacement either.
> >> >
> >> > I am linking here to the PR which I submitted for the camel-nats
> >> conversion
> >> > [13] just in case I missed anything. At first sight it may look more
> >> > complicated than what I said, but that's because it also contains the
> >> > test-infra code for Nats.
> >> >
> >> > 1.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsTestSupport.java
> >> > 2.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsTestSupport.java
> >> > 3.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-nats/pom.xml#L59-L63
> >> > 4.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-nats/pom.xml#L61-L75
> >> > 5.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsTestSupport.java#L24-L45
> >> > 6.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsTestSupport.java#L25-L27
> >> > 7.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsAuthConsumerLoadTest.java#L38
> >> > 8.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-nats/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/nats/NatsAuthConsumerLoadTest.java#L38
> >> > 9.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-consul/src/test/resources/org/apache/camel/component/consul/cloud/SpringConsulRibbonServiceCallRouteTest.xml#L36
> >> > 10.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-consul/src/test/resources/org/apache/camel/component/consul/cloud/SpringConsulRibbonServiceCallRouteTest.xml#L36
> >> > 11.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.6.0/components/camel-pg-replication-slot/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/pg/replication/slot/integration/PgReplicationTestSupport.java#L31
> >> > 12.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/camel/blob/camel-3.7.0/components/camel-pg-replication-slot/src/test/java/org/apache/camel/component/pg/replication/slot/integration/PgReplicationTestSupport.java#L31
> >> > 13. https://github.com/apache/camel/pull/4706/files
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:36 AM Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Otavia
> >> > >
> >> > > Great work.
> >> > >
> >> > > Can you maybe tell a bit about what if an end user have used
> >> > > camel-testcontainers-junit5 to do his/her own container testing with
> >> > > Camel (for example to use their own container image, or for example
> a
> >> > > database container or something). How would they do that today with
> >> > > the test infra?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:37 AM Otavio Rodolfo Piske
> >> > > <angusyo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > as of 3.7.x, all the test infrastructure code that we had was
> >> converted
> >> > > to
> >> > > > use the test-infra modules.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This brings several benefits for in terms of maintenance for the
> >> test
> >> > > code:
> >> > > > - we can share more easily, among the sub-projects, the code
> >> handling
> >> > the
> >> > > > test infrastructure. For example: setting up and running message
> >> > brokers,
> >> > > > databases, cloud simulation containers, etc.
> >> > > > - we "outsource" the management of the resources to JUnit 5 and
> let
> >> it
> >> > > > handle the lifecycle, setup, etc ... thus simplifying the test
> code.
> >> > > > - we can separate the interface from implementation. This allows
> us
> >> and
> >> > > > colleagues running and testing the Camel code to run integration
> and
> >> > > > interoperability tests more easily. For example, it makes it
> >> possible
> >> > to
> >> > > > run the same tests against remote instances of the said
> >> infrastructure.
> >> > > > This is very handy for AWS tests, for example, where we can switch
> >> to
> >> > run
> >> > > > the tests from Localstack containers to an actual AWS instance by
> >> > simply
> >> > > > adjusting the test parameters. It still uses testcontainers under
> >> the
> >> > > hood,
> >> > > > but it is abstracted from the test code.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As result of this migration, the code in the following components
> >> has
> >> > > > become unused within Camel:
> >> > > > - camel-testcontainers
> >> > > > - camel-testcontainers-junit5
> >> > > > - camel-testcontainers-spring
> >> > > > - camel-testcontainers-spring-junit5
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'd like to propose deprecating these components, starting with
> 3.8
> >> and
> >> > > > then removing them before we release the next LTS.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Therefore, I'd like to gather feedback from the community about
> >> usage
> >> > of
> >> > > > those modules, thoughts on the idea and if any roadblock remains.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Kind regards
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Otavio R. Piske
> >> > > > http://orpiske.net
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Claus Ibsen
> >> > > -----------------
> >> > > http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
> >> > > Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Otavio R. Piske
> >> > http://orpiske.net
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Otavio R. Piske
> > http://orpiske.net
> >
>
>
> --
> Otavio R. Piske
> http://orpiske.net
>

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