> The guidance for new feature developers would be:
>  - Review existing SQL syntax for your feature
>  - If there are extraordinary reasons to now use SQL syntax, enumerate them 
> in the CEP
>  - Performance and correctness take precedence. 
This is succinct and rational.

The one vulnerability we face: if we add a feature with no corollary in SQL, go 
our own route with syntax, and then SQL evolves to include something in the 
future that diverges from our implementation. I think the risk of that is low 
and we could always implement a redundant syntax that matches the new SQL 
semantics and support both in the rare case that happens.

To your question Stefan - I don't think that's an issue w/what Patrick's 
putting forward here (scope creep). This directive is pretty simply formalizing 
the following in the context of adding new features to CQL:
> If there's prior art in SQL bias towards conformance with that. If not we do 
> our own thing.


On Thu, Nov 6, 2025, at 3:55 AM, Štefan Miklošovič wrote:
> This is overall reasonable line of thinking however as with anything I
> think it has some "buts":
> 
> Let's say we want to implement a feature / idea / extend CQL in some
> manner. Then, based on what you wrote, we will investigate how it is
> done in the SQL world. Once we come to the realisation that there is
> no such construct similar to ours we want to introduce, we will fall
> back from "use of SQL syntax when possible when adding new features"
> to our customly crafted CQL.
> 
> There is a parallel thread about bringing SQL to Cassandra. Once
> people start to use SQL layer, how are we going to translate the
> calling of this feature to SQL if there is no resemblance to that?
> 
> Does this mean that whatever new we will want to introduce, which does
> not exist in SQL, will be reserved to CQL only and then SQL will be
> just a subset? Is a user supposed to switch between CQL and SQL (how?)
> just to be able to start to use CQL syntax there is no counterpart in
> SQL?
> 
> My gut feeling says that it will be quite a messy situation where we
> will be introducing features on syntax level based on how "SQL-close"
> it is and we will be switching between syntaxes based on where that
> particular feature is implemented in and how.
> 
> If we agree on SQL first approach and we ban the evolution of CQL then
> what might happen is that people will just abandon the idea they have
> just because there will not be SQL parity. I think that unnecessarily
> restricts innovation. I was always more practical and goal-oriented
> when it comes to this stuff.
> 
> I understand that this is for now mostly only theoretical exercise I
> am conducting here but I would still like to have answers to this in
> general.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2025 at 8:18 PM Patrick McFadin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > This is a focused discussion stream to contemplate future CQL syntax as we 
> > add new features.
> >
> > Succinctly, I proposed to ratify the use of SQL syntax when possible when 
> > adding new features. Prior work demonstrating that this can be successful 
> > is CEP-52. Needed to add labels to schema, took the previously art in 
> > PostgreSQL and used it.
> >
> > This is NOT a proposal to backport or retrofit syntax. What is already in 
> > CQL is a part of the spec. The separate topic of adding full SQL support 
> > will be in a different DISCUSS thread.
> >
> > The guidance for new feature developers would be:
> >  - Review existing SQL syntax for your feature
> >  - If there are extraordinary reasons to now use SQL syntax, enumerate them 
> > in the CEP
> >  - Performance and correctness take precedence.
> >
> > Patrick
> 

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