"Same idea for root disks, but I'm first introducing support for them
(XenServer and VMware) in 4.5."

I meant to say, "in 4.4." :)


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Mike Tutkowski <
mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote:

> Think of it this way (you'll need a little SolidFire history to see where
> I'm coming from):
>
> The big problem SolidFire solves is bringing predictable performance to
> the cloud. With a SolidFire SAN, you are able to specify a minimum,
> maximum, and burst number of IOPS on a volume-by-volume basis. This way you
> have what appears to be dedicated resources (a guaranteed number of IOPS
> per volume) within a shared storage infrastructure. The SAN is incredibly
> resilient. It is a loosely coupled cluster or storage nodes. Any SSD within
> a node or an entire node of SSDs can go offline and the SAN self heals and
> can maintain its performance guarantees. The SAN was built to compete with
> traditional SANs cost wise and, as such, has sophisticated efficiency
> technologies built in from the ground up (inline compression, inline
> de-dupe, and inline thin provisioning).
>
> The main driver is that only about 10% of an enterprise's workload is
> hosted in the cloud at present. The primary reason sited for why more
> workloads are not in the cloud is a lack of predictable performance. That
> being the case, many enterprises won't move their mission-critical
> applications to the cloud until performance can be guaranteed.
>
> So, bringing this around to CloudStack:
>
> CloudStack was initially built on the storage side to house many root
> and/or data disks on the same NFS share or - what is of more interest to me
> at present - on the same iSCSI target.
>
> That is a serious problem from a storage Quality of Service standpoint.
> Even though our iSCSI target (SAN volume) has a guaranteed number of IOPS,
> if you split those IOPS among many root and/or data disks, you cannot
> guarantee a certain number of IOPS to any one particular root or data disk
> (only to the SAN volume).
>
> That being the case, I developed the concept of so-called managed storage
> for CloudStack (this is somewhat similar to how OpenStack's block storage
> component works).
>
> In this model, primary storage is added to CloudStack that represents a
> SAN - not a preallocated amount of storage from a SAN (i.e. not a
> preallocated volume from a SAN).
>
> When the user, say, attaches a CloudStack volume to a VM for the first
> time, the SolidFire plug-in creates a volume on its SAN (a new iSCSI target
> is created).
>
> CloudStack understands managed storage and knows, say, for XenServer to
> dynamically create an SR to consume this new iSCSI target.
>
> Inside of the SR will be a single VDI that represents the disk to attach
> to the VM.
>
> No other VDI (except for snapshot deltas) will be placed inside of this
> SR. The SR is dedicated to a single CloudStack volume.
>
> In this manner, we can guarantee IOPS for the disk being attached to the
> VM.
>
> Same idea for root disks, but I'm first introducing support for them
> (XenServer and VMware) in 4.5.
>
> KVM is a bit different because it doesn't apply a clustered file system to
> the newly created iSCSI target, but - in the end - that iSCSI target will
> only be used for one disk. Since the iSCSI target (SAN volume) has a
> guaranteed number of IOPS and it's only being used for a single disk, the
> disk therefore has a guaranteed number of IOPS.
>
> At present only the SolidFire plug-in supports managed storage, but it
> doesn't have to be that way.
>
> For example, CloudByte has a rate-limiting feature (essentially a maximum
> number of IOPS) and one of their developers sounded interested in
> implementing a plug-in that takes advantage of the managed-storage feature.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, VMware has many formats for storage and configs, and some suffer
>> from insufficient abstraction between resources and definitions for
>> cloud use. I'm sure it can be worked around in some regard.
>>
>> I still haven't wrapped my head around the datastore(or SR for
>> xen)-per-volume, but I know that's how the SolidFire plugin works, so
>> forgive me if I've made assumptions that make sense in the scope of
>> how our plugins work.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Mike Tutkowski
>> <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote:
>> > See...I don't know the history behind this, but for VMware, when we
>> shut a
>> > VM down, the config files remain, which is not how this works on
>> XenServer
>> > or KVM.
>> >
>> > That is the "root" (pun intended) of our managed-storage problem here.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Mike Tutkowski
>> > <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sure :) In the storage_pool table, there is a column called "managed".
>> 1 =
>> >> managed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >> <alena.prokharc...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ok, then can you please tell me the way how to determine if the
>> >>> corresponding storage is managed, by looking at CS DB entry?
>> >>>
>> >>>  For phase #1 of the feature, I will just implement it for the regular
>> >>> storage in KVM/Xen/VmWare; and implement managed storage support some
>> time
>> >>> later.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Alena.
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Mike Tutkowski <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>> Date: Friday, March 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM
>> >>>
>> >>> To: Alena Prokharchyk <alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>
>> >>> Cc: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>,
>> >>> "shadow...@gmail.com" <shadow...@gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ROOT volume detach - feature for CS 4.5
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes
>> >>>
>> >>> With non-managed storage, the admin determines when to manually create
>> >>> and delete datastores.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think this will only be a problem with managed storage on VMware.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>> <alena.prokharc...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So it only affects managed storage?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: Mike Tutkowski <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>>> Date: Friday, March 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM
>> >>>> To: Alena Prokharchyk <alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>
>> >>>> Cc: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>,
>> >>>> "shadow...@gmail.com" <shadow...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ROOT volume detach - feature for CS 4.5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Let me illustrate this with an example:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * User creates a VM whose root disk is placed on managed storage
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * Storage plug-in creates a volume on its SAN
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * VMware server resource creates a datastore based on the newly
>> created
>> >>>> SAN volume (let me stress that this datastore was created by the
>> VMware
>> >>>> server resource - not manually by an admin as would be the case for
>> >>>> non-managed storage)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * Inside the datastore are placed the VMDK file (root disk) along
>> with
>> >>>> VM config files like VMX, NVRAM, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * User detaches the root volume (the VMDK file and VM config files
>> >>>> remain in the datastore)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * User attaches another root volume to the VM (the VMDK file is
>> stored
>> >>>> in a datastore different from the datastore where the VM config files
>> >>>> reside, which is fine for now)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * User deletes and expunges the original root disk (this leads to the
>> >>>> datastore the VMDK file is on being removed...as a side effect, you
>> will
>> >>>> also lose your VM config files), SAN volume is deleted, CloudStack
>> volume is
>> >>>> marked as deleted in the database
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>> <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So, do you guys see my concern with VMware, though?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> VMware is different from XenServer and KVM in that its VM config
>> files
>> >>>>> are stored in the datastore along side the root volume (in
>> CloudStack 4.3,
>> >>>>> for example).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you switch the VM to use a VMDK file in a different datastore,
>> the
>> >>>>> config files will remain in the original datastore (unless we
>> transfer them
>> >>>>> ourselves to the new datastore).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If they remain in the original datastore and that disk is deleted
>> >>>>> later, the datastore that contains that disk will be removed (along
>> with the
>> >>>>> VM config files that are new being used in conjunction with a disk
>> in
>> >>>>> another datastore).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>> <alena.prokharc...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 3/28/14, 3:50 PM, "Marcus" <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> > I see this feature as mainly just shuffling around object
>> properties
>> >>>>>> >in the database. I don't expect any major issues to arise with any
>> >>>>>> >storage if an inactive "root" disk is marked as a "data" disk in
>> the
>> >>>>>> >DB, for example. In the end, when you start a VM you're always
>> going
>> >>>>>> >to have a root disk in the vm instance object, and volumes that
>> are
>> >>>>>> >attached/detached are going to be passed as data disks (If I
>> >>>>>> >understand correctly). It doesn't really matter to the storage
>> >>>>>> > drivers
>> >>>>>> >if the volume object was previously of type root or data.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Correct. That¹s what I reflected in the spec. But I¹m going to
>> test it
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>> all major supported hypervisors - KVM/Xen/VmWare - anyway, just to
>> be
>> >>>>>> 100%
>> >>>>>> sure nothing breaks.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>> ><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> >> I will look into it more, Mike. vmWare indeed can be different.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> -Alena.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> From: Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >><mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>>
>> >>>>>> >> Date: Friday, March 28, 2014 at 11:39 AM
>> >>>>>> >> To: Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>> >><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>
>> >>>>>> >> Cc: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> >"
>> >>>>>> >><dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>>
>> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ROOT volume detach - feature for CS 4.5
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> VMware is also different because when you shut a VMware VM down
>> >>>>>> >> from
>> >>>>>> >>CloudStack, the VM still exists in vCenter Server (whereas for
>> >>>>>> >> XenServer
>> >>>>>> >>and KVM, the VM is gone).
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Since the life of a datastore that was created for managed
>> storage
>> >>>>>> >> is
>> >>>>>> >>tied to the life of the CloudStack volume it stores, when the
>> >>>>>> >> CloudStack
>> >>>>>> >>volume is deleted, the datastore goes away, as well.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> If the datastore in question was automatically created to store
>> a
>> >>>>>> >> root
>> >>>>>> >>disk (alongside VM config files) and you switch the VM to another
>> >>>>>> >> root
>> >>>>>> >>disk (which has to necessarily be in another datastore), you
>> won't
>> >>>>>> >> see a
>> >>>>>> >>problem until the original root volume is expunged by
>> CloudStack. At
>> >>>>>> >>this point, its datastore will go away along with your VM config
>> >>>>>> >> files.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >><mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>>
>> >>>>>> >>wrote:
>> >>>>>> >> Well, the reason I brought it up was mainly due to VMware.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Let's use that as an example:
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> I initiate the process of spinning up a VM based on managed
>> >>>>>> >> storage.
>> >>>>>> >> A volume is dynamically created on a SAN.
>> >>>>>> >> VmwareStorageProcessor dynamically creates a datastore to
>> consume
>> >>>>>> >> the
>> >>>>>> >>newly created SAN volume.
>> >>>>>> >> All VMware VM files (ex. VMX, NVRAM) are placed in the datastore
>> >>>>>> >>alongside the VMDK file that represents the root volume.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Now, let's say we want to detach this root volume and give the
>> VM a
>> >>>>>> >> new
>> >>>>>> >>root volume.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> The new root volume will necessarily be on a different datastore
>> >>>>>> >> than
>> >>>>>> >>the datastore of the previous root volume (because a datastore
>> >>>>>> >> created
>> >>>>>> >>to consume managed storage will have at most one VMDK file*).
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Is it going to be a problem that the VM's files (ex. VMX, NVRAM)
>> >>>>>> >> are on
>> >>>>>> >>one datastore, but its root disk is on another?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> I don't think it's really a problem until you go to delete the
>> >>>>>> >> original
>> >>>>>> >>root volume from CloudStack. At that point, its datastore will be
>> >>>>>> >>removed (including, of course, your VM's VMX, NVRAM, etc. files).
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> This is not really a problem on XenServer because XenServer does
>> >>>>>> >> not
>> >>>>>> >>store VM config files in the SR, so I think we're OK there.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> We should also be OK for KVM.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> * Technically it can have many if those other VMDK files are
>> delta
>> >>>>>> >>snapshots, but they still - together - represent a single disk.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>> >><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>
>> >>>>>> >>wrote:
>> >>>>>> >> Mike, thank you for the explanation on managed storage.. As far
>> as
>> >>>>>> >> I
>> >>>>>> >>understand from your email, the main difference is instead of
>> >>>>>> >> creating
>> >>>>>> >>an SR on the PS, CloudStack will recognize pre-existing volume
>> >>>>>> >> created
>> >>>>>> >>outside of the CS. Am I correct?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> If so, I don't think there would be any difference. When root
>> >>>>>> >> volume
>> >>>>>> >>detach happens, no storage attributes - path, clusterId - are
>> being
>> >>>>>> >>changed. And we would apply the same set of checks to the root
>> >>>>>> >> volume
>> >>>>>> >>attach, as for a dataDisk attach.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> -Alena.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> From: Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >><mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>>
>> >>>>>> >> Date: Thursday, March 27, 2014 at 9:40 PM
>> >>>>>> >> To: Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>> >><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>
>> >>>>>> >> Cc: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> >"
>> >>>>>> >><dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>>
>> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] ROOT volume detach - feature for CS 4.5
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Hi Alena,
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> I was wondering if you've taken "managed" storage into
>> >>>>>> >> consideration
>> >>>>>> >>for this?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> If you're unfamiliar with it, managed storage is named as such
>> >>>>>> >> because
>> >>>>>> >>CloudStack manages it on behalf of the admin (ex. dynamically
>> >>>>>> >> creating
>> >>>>>> >>SRs as needed).
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> For example, when I add primary storage to CloudStack that is
>> based
>> >>>>>> >> on
>> >>>>>> >>the SolidFire SAN, I use the SolidFire plug-in, which is an
>> example
>> >>>>>> >> of
>> >>>>>> >>managed storage.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> In this case, the primary storage represents a SAN as opposed
>> to a
>> >>>>>> >>preallocated volume.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> When the time comes to, say, attach a data disk to a VM for the
>> >>>>>> >> first
>> >>>>>> >>time, the SolidFire plug-in goes off to its SAN and dynamically
>> >>>>>> >> creates
>> >>>>>> >>a new volume on it (with the appropriate size and IOPS
>> >>>>>> >> requirements).
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> CloudStack has logic that recognizes managed storage.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> For example, for XenServer, its logic has been augmented to
>> >>>>>> >>automatically create an SR based on the iSCSI target that was
>> >>>>>> >> created on
>> >>>>>> >>the SAN and to create a VDI within it that is attached to the VM
>> in
>> >>>>>> >>question.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> The big takeaway is that each CloudStack volume here will be
>> >>>>>> >> associated
>> >>>>>> >>with a unique volume on a SAN and consumed as an SR (XenServer)
>> or
>> >>>>>> >>datastore (ESX) (KVM handles this differently). In this
>> situation,
>> >>>>>> >> there
>> >>>>>> >>is a 1:1 mapping between a SAN volume and an SR. No other VDIs
>> are
>> >>>>>> >>stored on the SR except for the one representing this one
>> CloudStack
>> >>>>>> >>volume.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> That being the case, I was wondering what you thought of this
>> with
>> >>>>>> >>regards to your root-volume-detach feature?
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> If we don't want to look into this for 4.5, it might be best to
>> >>>>>> >> simply
>> >>>>>> >>fail to detach a root volume from a VM if the volume is based on
>> >>>>>> >> managed
>> >>>>>> >>storage or to fail to attach a bootable volume to a VM if it is
>> >>>>>> >> based on
>> >>>>>> >>managed storage.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Talk to you later,
>> >>>>>> >> Mike
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>> >><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>
>> >>>>>> >>wrote:
>> >>>>>> >> Mike,
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Volume has a template_id referencing vm_template table.
>> Vm_template
>> >>>>>> >> has
>> >>>>>> >> bootable flag, so we will derive information from there.
>> >>>>>> >> And sure, this information will not change if the root disk is
>> >>>>>> >> detached.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On 3/25/14, 12:18 PM, "Mike Tutkowski"
>> >>>>>> >><mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>>
>> >>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>>Hi Alena,
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>I was wondering how we plan to keep track of the new "bootable"
>> >>>>>> >>>property?
>> >>>>>> >>>When we create a VM, would we just mark its root disk as
>> bootable
>> >>>>>> >>> and
>> >>>>>> >>>then
>> >>>>>> >>>that property becomes immutable (for the upgrade case, all root
>> >>>>>> >>> disks
>> >>>>>> >>>would
>> >>>>>> >>>be marked as bootable)?
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>I'm thinking we'd want to keep track of bootable disks even when
>> >>>>>> >>> there
>> >>>>>> >>>are
>> >>>>>> >>>detached and turned into data disks. Is that what you had in
>> mind?
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>Thanks!
>> >>>>>> >>>Mike
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Alena Prokharchyk <
>> >>>>>> >>>alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>
>> >>>>>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> Here is the link to the corresponding FS (placed in "4.5
>> Design
>> >>>>>> >>>>documents"
>> >>>>>> >>>> section)
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/ROOT+volume+deta
>> >>>>>> >>>>ch
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> -Alena.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> From: Alena Prokharchyk
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>><alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com><mail
>> >>>>>> >>>>to:
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com<mailto:
>> alena.prokharc...@citrix.com>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> Date: Monday, March 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM
>> >>>>>> >>>> To:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>"dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:
>> dev@cloudstack.apache.org><mailto:dev
>> >>>>>> >>>>@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>>" <
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>dev@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:
>> dev@cloudstack.apache.org><mailto:dev@
>> >>>>>> >>>>cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:dev@cloudstack.apache.org>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> Subject: [PROPOSAL] ROOT volume detach - feature for CS 4.5
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> I would like to propose a new feature for CS 4.5 - "ROOT
>> volume
>> >>>>>> >>>>detach"
>> >>>>>> >>>>-
>> >>>>>> >>>> that enables support for following use cases:
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> 1) Replace current ROOT volume with the new one for  existing
>> vm.
>> >>>>>> >>>> 2) Case when ROOT volume of vm1 gets corrupted, and you want
>> to
>> >>>>>> >>>> attach
>> >>>>>> >>>>it
>> >>>>>> >>>> to vm2 to run the recovery utils on it. With current CS
>> >>>>>> >>>> implemntation,
>> >>>>>> >>>>you
>> >>>>>> >>>> have to perform several steps - create snapshot of vm1's
>> volume,
>> >>>>>> >>>>create
>> >>>>>> >>>> volume from snapshot, attach volume to the vm2. New
>> >>>>>> >>>> implementation
>> >>>>>> >>>>will
>> >>>>>> >>>> merge it all to one step.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> With the planned implementation, once the ROOT volume is
>> >>>>>> >>>> detached, it
>> >>>>>> >>>>can
>> >>>>>> >>>> be attached to any existing vm (with respect to
>> >>>>>> >>>> Admin/Domain/Physical
>> >>>>>> >>>> resources limitations), either as a DataDisk or a Root disk.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> Amazon EC2 already has this functionality in place, so I
>> think CS
>> >>>>>> >>>>would
>> >>>>>> >>>> only benefit from having it. Storage experts (Edison, others)
>> >>>>>> >>>> please
>> >>>>>> >>>>raise
>> >>>>>> >>>> your concerns if you have any, or if you see any potential
>> >>>>>> >>>> problems
>> >>>>>> >>>>with
>> >>>>>> >>>> the planned implementation. And if anyone can think of other
>> use
>> >>>>>> >>>> cases
>> >>>>>> >>>>this
>> >>>>>> >>>> feature can possible solve, I would appreciate this input as
>> >>>>>> >>>> well.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> Feature limitations:
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> * ROOT volume can be detached only when vm is in Stopped state
>> >>>>>> >>>> * CS will fail to start the vm not having a ROOT volume
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> I will send out the link to the FS once I start getting
>> feedback
>> >>>>>> >>>> on
>> >>>>>> >>>>the
>> >>>>>> >>>> proposal.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>> -Alena.
>> >>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>--
>> >>>>>> >>>*Mike Tutkowski*
>> >>>>>> >>>*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>> >>>>>> >>>e:
>> >>>>>> >>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>>>>> >>>o: 303.746.7302<tel:303.746.7302>
>> >>>>>> >>>Advancing the way the world uses the
>> >>>>>> >>>cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
>> >>>>>> >>>*(tm)*
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> --
>> >>>>>> >> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>>>>> >> e:
>> >>>>>> >> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>>>>> >> o: 303.746.7302<tel:303.746.7302>
>> >>>>>> >> Advancing the way the world uses the
>> >>>>>> >>cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>(tm)
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> --
>> >>>>>> >> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>>>>> >> e:
>> >>>>>> >> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>>>>> >> o: 303.746.7302<tel:303.746.7302>
>> >>>>>> >> Advancing the way the world uses the
>> >>>>>> >>cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>(tm)
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> --
>> >>>>>> >> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>>> >> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>>>>> >> e:
>> >>>>>> >> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com<mailto:
>> mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
>> >>>>>> >> o: 303.746.7302
>> >>>>>> >> Advancing the way the world uses the
>> >>>>>> >>cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>(tm)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>>> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>>>> e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
>> >>>>> o: 303.746.7302
>> >>>>> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud(tm)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>>> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>>> e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
>> >>>> o: 303.746.7302
>> >>>> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud(tm)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Mike Tutkowski
>> >>> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >>> e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
>> >>> o: 303.746.7302
>> >>> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud(tm)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mike Tutkowski
>> >> Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> >> e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
>> >> o: 303.746.7302
>> >> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud(tm)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Tutkowski
>> > Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.
>> > e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
>> > o: 303.746.7302
>> > Advancing the way the world uses the cloud(tm)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mike Tutkowski*
> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
> o: 303.746.7302
> Advancing the way the world uses the 
> cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> *(tm)*
>



-- 
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
*(tm)*

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