Mike, Punith, Please review "Golden Primary Storage" proposal. [1]
Thank you. [1]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Golden+Primary+Storage On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Mike Tutkowski < mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote: > Daan helped out with this. You should be good to go now. > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Hieu LE <hieul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Could you please give edit/create permission on ASF Jira/Wiki confluence > ? > > I can not add a new Wiki page. > > > > My Jira ID: hieulq > > Wiki: hieulq89 > > Review Board: hieulq > > > > Thanks ! > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Tutkowski < > > mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Yes, please feel free to add a new Wiki page for your design. > > > > > > Here is a link to applicable design info: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Design > > > > > > Also, feel free to ask more questions and have me review your design. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Hieu LE <hieul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > You are right, performance will be decreased over time because writes > > > IOPS > > > > will always end up on slower storage pool. > > > > > > > > In our case, we are using CloudStack integrated in VDI solution to > > > provived > > > > pooled VM type[1]. So may be my approach can bring better UX for user > > > with > > > > lower bootime ... > > > > > > > > A short change in design are followings > > > > - VM will be deployed with golden primary storage if primary storage > is > > > > marked golden and this VM template is also marked as golden. > > > > - Choosing the best deploy destionation for both golden primary > storage > > > and > > > > normal root volume primary storage. Chosen host can also access both > > > > storage pools. > > > > - New Xen Server plug-in for modifying VHD parent id. > > > > > > > > Is there some place for me to submit my design and code. Can I write > a > > > new > > > > proposal in CS wiki ? > > > > > > > > [1]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/xendesktop-rho/cds-choose-scheme-type-rho.html > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mike Tutkowski < > > > > mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is an interesting idea. If the constraints you face at your > > company > > > > can > > > > > be corrected somewhat by implementing this, then you should go for > > it. > > > > > > > > > > It sounds like writes will be placed on the slower storage pool. > This > > > > means > > > > > as you update OS components, those updates will be placed on the > > slower > > > > > storage pool. As such, your performance is likely to somewhat > > decrease > > > > over > > > > > time (as more and more writes end up on the slower storage pool). > > > > > > > > > > That may be OK for your use case(s), though. > > > > > > > > > > You'll have to update the storage-pool orchestration logic to take > > this > > > > new > > > > > scheme into account. > > > > > > > > > > Also, we'll have to figure out how this ties into storage tagging > (if > > > at > > > > > all). > > > > > > > > > > I'd be happy to review your design and code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Hieu LE <hieul...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mike and Punith for quick reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both solutions you gave here are absolutely correct. But as I > > > mentioned > > > > > in > > > > > > the first email, I want another better solution for current > > > > > infrastructure > > > > > > at my company. > > > > > > > > > > > > Creating a high IOPS primary storage using storage tags is good > but > > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > be very waste of disk capacity. For example, if I only have 1TB > SSD > > > and > > > > > > deploy 100 VM from a 100GB template. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I think about a solution where a high IOPS primary storage can > > > only > > > > > > store golden image (master image), and a child image of this VM > > will > > > be > > > > > > stored in another normal (NFS, ISCSI...) storage. In this case, > > with > > > > 1TB > > > > > > SSD Primary Storage I can store as much golden image as I need. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tested it with 256 GB SSD mounted on Xen Server 6.2.0 > > > with > > > > > 2TB > > > > > > local storage 10000RPM, 6TB NFS share storage with 1GB network. > The > > > > IOPS > > > > > of > > > > > > VMs which have golden image (master image) in SSD and child image > > in > > > > NFS > > > > > > increate more than 30-40% compare with VMs which have both golden > > > image > > > > > and > > > > > > child image in NFS. The boot time of each VM is also decrease. > > > ('cause > > > > > > golden image in SSD only reduced READ IOPS). > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think this approach OK ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Tutkowski < > > > > > > mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Punith - this is similar to what I was going to say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any time a set of CloudStack volumes share IOPS from a common > > pool, > > > > you > > > > > > > cannot guarantee IOPS to a given CloudStack volume at a given > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choices at present are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Use managed storage (where you can create a 1:1 mapping > > between > > > a > > > > > > > CloudStack volume and a volume on a storage system that has > QoS). > > > As > > > > > > Punith > > > > > > > mentioned, this requires that you purchase storage from a > vendor > > > who > > > > > > > provides guaranteed QoS on a volume-by-volume bases AND has > this > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > into CloudStack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Create primary storage in CloudStack that is not managed, > but > > > has > > > > a > > > > > > high > > > > > > > number of IOPS (ex. using SSDs). You can then storage tag this > > > > primary > > > > > > > storage and create Compute and Disk Offerings that use this > > storage > > > > tag > > > > > > to > > > > > > > make sure their volumes end up on this storage pool (primary > > > > storage). > > > > > > This > > > > > > > will still not guarantee IOPS on a CloudStack volume-by-volume > > > basis, > > > > > but > > > > > > > it will at least place the CloudStack volumes that need a > better > > > > chance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > getting higher IOPS on a storage pool that could provide the > > > > necessary > > > > > > > IOPS. A big downside here is that you want to watch how many > > > > CloudStack > > > > > > > volumes get deployed on this primary storage because you'll > need > > to > > > > > > > essentially over-provision IOPS in this primary storage to > > increase > > > > the > > > > > > > probability that each and every CloudStack volume that uses > this > > > > > primary > > > > > > > storage gets the necessary IOPS (and isn't as likely to suffer > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > Noisy Neighbor Effect). You should be able to tell CloudStack > to > > > only > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > say, 80% (or whatever) of the storage you're providing to it > (so > > as > > > > to > > > > > > > increase your effective IOPS per GB ratio). This > > over-provisioning > > > of > > > > > > IOPS > > > > > > > to control Noisy Neighbors is avoided in option 1. In that > > > situation, > > > > > you > > > > > > > only provision the IOPS and capacity you actually need. It is a > > > much > > > > > more > > > > > > > sophisticated approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Punith S < > > punit...@cloudbyte.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi hieu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your problem is the bottle neck we see as a storage vendors > in > > > the > > > > > > cloud, > > > > > > > > meaning all the vms in the cloud have not been guaranteed > iops > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > primary storage, because in your case i'm assuming you are > > > running > > > > > > > 1000vms > > > > > > > > on a xen cluster whose all vm's disks are lying on a same > > primary > > > > nfs > > > > > > > > storage mounted to the cluster, > > > > > > > > hence you won't get the dedicated iops for each vm since > every > > vm > > > > is > > > > > > > > sharing the same storage. to solve this issue in cloudstack > we > > > the > > > > > > third > > > > > > > > party vendors have implemented the plugin(namely cloudbyte , > > > > > solidfire > > > > > > > etc) > > > > > > > > to support managed storage(dedicated volumes with guaranteed > > qos > > > > for > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > vms) , where we are mapping each root disk(vdi) or data disk > > of a > > > > vm > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > one nfs or iscsi share coming out of a pool, also we are > > > proposing > > > > > the > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > feature to change volume iops on fly in 4.5, where you can > > > increase > > > > > or > > > > > > > > decrease your root disk iops while booting or at peak times. > > but > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > > > this plugin you have to buy our storage solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if not , you can try creating a nfs share out of ssd pool > > storage > > > > and > > > > > > > > create a primary storage in cloudstack out of it named as > > golden > > > > > > primary > > > > > > > > storage with specific tag like gold, and create a compute > > > offering > > > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > template with the storage tag as gold, hence all the vm's you > > > > create > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > sit on this gold primary storage with high iops. and other > data > > > > disks > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > other primary storage but still here you cannot guarantee the > > qos > > > > at > > > > > vm > > > > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Hieu LE <hieul...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> There are some problems while deploying a large amount of > VMs > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > >> company > > > > > > > >> with CloudStack. All VMs are deployed from same template > (e.g: > > > > > Windows > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > > >> and the quantity is approximately ~1000VMs. The problems > here > > is > > > > low > > > > > > > IOPS, > > > > > > > >> low performance of VM (about ~10-11 IOPS, boot time is very > > > high). > > > > > The > > > > > > > >> storage of my company is SAN/NAS with NFS and Xen Server > > 6.2.0. > > > > All > > > > > > Xen > > > > > > > >> Server nodes have standard server HDD disk raid. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I have found some solutions for this such as: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> - Enable Xen Server Intellicache and some tweaks in > > > CloudStack > > > > > > codes > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> deploy and start VM in Intellicache mode. But this > solution > > > > will > > > > > > > >> transfer > > > > > > > >> all IOPS from shared storage to all local storage, hence > > > affect > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> limit > > > > > > > >> some CloudStack features. > > > > > > > >> - Buying some expensive storage solutions and network to > > > > increase > > > > > > > IOPS. > > > > > > > >> Nah.. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> So, I am thinking about a new feature that (may be) > increasing > > > > IOPS > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> performance of VMs: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> 1. Separate golden image in high IOPS partition: buying > new > > > > SSD, > > > > > > plug > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > >> Xen Server and deployed a new VM in NFS storage WITH > golden > > > > image > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >> this > > > > > > > >> new SSD partition. This can reduce READ IOPS in shared > > > storage > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> decrease > > > > > > > >> boot time of VM. (Currenty, VM deployed in Xen Server > > always > > > > > have a > > > > > > > >> master > > > > > > > >> image (golden image - in VMWare) always in the same > storage > > > > > > > repository > > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > > >> different image (child image)). We can do this trick by > > > > tweaking > > > > > in > > > > > > > VHD > > > > > > > >> header file with new Xen Server plug-in. > > > > > > > >> 2. Create golden primary storage and VM template that > > enable > > > > this > > > > > > > >> feature. > > > > > > > >> 3. So, all VMs deployed from template that had enabled > this > > > > > feature > > > > > > > >> will > > > > > > > >> have a golden image stored in golden primary storage (SSD > > or > > > > some > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > >> IOPS > > > > > > > >> partition), and different image (child image) stored in > > other > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > >> primary storage. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> This new feature will not transfer all IOPS from shared > > storage > > > to > > > > > > local > > > > > > > >> storage (because high IOPS partition can be another high > IOPS > > > > shared > > > > > > > >> storage) and require less money than buying new storage > > > solution. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> What do you think ? If possible, may I write a proposal in > > > > > CloudStack > > > > > > > >> wiki ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> BRs. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Hieu Lee > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > > > > > >> Version: 3.1 > > > > > > > >> GCS/CM/IT/M/MU d-@? s+(++):+(++) !a C++++(++++)$ > > ULC++++(++)$ P > > > > > > > >> L++(+++)$ E > > > > > > > >> !W N* o+ K w O- M V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R tv+ b+(++)>+++ > > DI- > > > > D+ > > > > > G > > > > > > > >> e++(+++) h-- r(++)>+++ y- > > > > > > > >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > punith s > > > > > > > > cloudbyte.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > *Mike Tutkowski* > > > > > > > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.* > > > > > > > e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > > > > > > > o: 303.746.7302 > > > > > > > Advancing the way the world uses the cloud > > > > > > > <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > > > > Version: 3.1 > > > > > > GCS/CM/IT/M/MU d-@? s+(++):+(++) !a C++++(++++)$ ULC++++(++)$ P > > > > > L++(+++)$ > > > > > > E > > > > > > !W N* o+ K w O- M V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R tv+ b+(++)>+++ DI- > > D+ G > > > > > > e++(+++) h-- r(++)>+++ y- > > > > > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Mike Tutkowski* > > > > > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.* > > > > > e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > > > > > o: 303.746.7302 > > > > > Advancing the way the world uses the cloud > > > > > <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > > Version: 3.1 > > > > GCS/CM/IT/M/MU d-@? s+(++):+(++) !a C++++(++++)$ ULC++++(++)$ P > > > L++(+++)$ > > > > E > > > > !W N* o+ K w O- M V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R tv+ b+(++)>+++ DI- D+ G > > > > e++(+++) h-- r(++)>+++ y- > > > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *Mike Tutkowski* > > > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.* > > > e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > > > o: 303.746.7302 > > > Advancing the way the world uses the cloud > > > <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™* > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.1 > > GCS/CM/IT/M/MU d-@? s+(++):+(++) !a C++++(++++)$ ULC++++(++)$ P > L++(+++)$ > > E > > !W N* o+ K w O- M V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R tv+ b+(++)>+++ DI- D+ G > > e++(+++) h-- r(++)>+++ y- > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > -- > *Mike Tutkowski* > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.* > e: mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com > o: 303.746.7302 > Advancing the way the world uses the cloud > <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™* > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT/M/MU d-@? s+(++):+(++) !a C++++(++++)$ ULC++++(++)$ P L++(+++)$ E !W N* o+ K w O- M V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R tv+ b+(++)>+++ DI- D+ G e++(+++) h-- r(++)>+++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
