On Apr 19, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
leo leonid wrote:
Hi all,
just curious, did ever someone in cocoonland, except me, use the SQL-Maps and DAO-Framework from ibatis ( www.ibatis.com ). This is from where Chris borrowed the Petstore sample, that he ported to flow. And that was the simple reason why I hit upon these tools, that I use since, contently.
I never tried something similar before and since, so I can't rate it, or even compare it, with the tools you use (Hibernate OJB,..) so, comments would be very appreciated.
For training with these tools, I half backported the petstore flow sample, so that it uses flow only for controller things, but leaving all business logic under the responsibility of SQL-Maps/DAO. If there is an interest, I could finish and contribute this alternative petstore sample.
/leo
Basically it sounds interessting. But before we add support for another alternative accessing DBs in Cocoon we should discuss which alternatives *we* recommend and which not. (more on this you can find in the "Modular database component" thread)
-- Reinhard
some of *you* (developers [correct me if I misinterpret your *we*) seems to underestimate the users. Referring to Geoff's last post, you can assume, that people coming from the LAMP World (like me, with P=Perl) have already good reasons to do this effort. Your major concern seems to be that flow could be 'abused', precluding that a user could realize a misuse by himself. Since I use flow, I wrote more java classes than ever before. Whereas it may be unrealistic to expect a new users to start with writing new generators, transformers or actions, it is very likely that he starts scripting, but very soon sees the need of a more typesave model, and thereupon voluntarily starts refactoring his overcharged scripts, writing simple java beans, which he can address in almost the same way as his former javascript objects. It is an incremental process, where best practice advices are more valuable than exclusion of 'abuse'.
Back to my original concern, I didn't want promote just another O/R tool. As I stated before, it is the only one I'm experienced with, and I'm just curious how it compares with others. It is obvious that cocoon lacks a solution here, but maybe this thread brings us a step nearer in such a way.
/leo
