Time: 1400 UTC Date: 25 April 2004 Venue: irc.freenode.net Channel: #ApacheAvalon
Agenda; * The Proposal of "Gang of Nine" - Move ECM+Fortress to CodeHaus. * The Counter-proposal of Niclas Hedhman - Merlin TLP Full log available at; http://www.apache.org/~niclas/irc/2004-04-25.150335.txt Active Attendees; Noel Bergman Niclas Hedhman Stephen McConnell Leo Simons Peter Donald J Aaron Farr Michael Nash Andreas Oberhack Peter Royal Mauro Talevi Alex Karasulu Leif Mortenson Shash Chatterjee Lurkers ------- (chicmome?) Johan Sjöberg (Spline) (T'lexii) Peter Courcoux (I may have missed some lurker. Sorry if that is the case.) Summary; Everyone in this group agrees that Avalon is, and has been for a long time, suffering from social illness. The meeting was scheduled to try find a solution that everyone can work with. Most of the Fortress-proponents (a.k.a. "Gang-of-Nine" and "Light-weight camp") agreed that there was no real difference of keeping Fortress at ASF from moving it to CodeHaus, other than the automatic split of community and resolution of social illness. Noel's proposal of a Fortress TLP had slightly better support than an Avalon without the Merlin-proponents (a.k.a "CitySlickers" and "Heavy-weight camp"). The attendees came to the following consensus, being the most viable way forward, both technically and socially. * Merlin TLP is to be formed. * Fortress/ECM TLP is to be formed * Avalon becomes the neutral collaboration forum * Each project depending on Avalon has a representative in Avalon PMC. * Each container project has an additional representative in Avalon PMC. * J Aaron Farr remains the Avalon Chair. * Avalon Framework, LogKit, Cornerstone and Sandbox stays within Avalon at least for the time being. * Excalibur+Fortress (already in the same CVS module) is moved to the Fortress TLP. * Meta, Repository, Util, Merlin, Composition, Activation is moved to Merlin TLP. After-math; Noel's initiative http://wiki.apache.org/avalon/Reorganization was edited frequently afterwards (a total of 30 revisions so far) to formulate the new structure. Work on this document should continue. Unresolved and "Not discussed" issue; Avalon Logging is at the moment purely used by Merlin, but is rather generic and can remain in Avalon. However, currently there is a dependency in Avalon Logging on Repository, which probably is not in the interest to remain at Avalon. This issue should be discussed separately on the mailing list, and I think it will not be difficult to reach consensus on this. Thank you all for attending, and let's all work in positive spirit to move forward. Niclas Hedhman P.S. This is a cross-post. Discussions on this should ONLY appear on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Thanks for your cooperation. CC: Avalon PMC List Avalon Users List Cocoon Development List Apache Board BCC: Gang-of-Nine, to ensure everyone involved receives the summary. -- +---------//-------------------+ | http://www.bali.ac | | http://niclas.hedhman.org | +------//----------------------+
