Re: [RT] The Silkworm Experiment

[Daniel Fagerstrom]

Paul Russell wrote:
Daniel,
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:29:22 +0100, Daniel Fagerstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Whithout migration part and/or extremely convincing usecases you will
find it rather hard to have any impact at Cocoon. Most of us have
invested so much effort in, and based on, the current architecture so we
need good reasons for introducing incompabillity.
   

Understood. I have also invested a lot of time in cocoon (full time
for two years). I understand how you feel. Unfortunately, my aim was
to get these ideas out there, and let people think about them. It
would seem I didn't present them in a very palatable way.
My initial reaction to your e-mail was one of disappointment and
anger. I didn't spend weeks on this e-mail in an attempt to alienate
myself from you guys, and that's what it feels like I've done.
 

Im sorry if my message come out unnecesarrily harsh. You can search the 
archive on my name and find out that I have delivered more than my share 
of extremely long RTs, and I have quite a few that I never finished in 
my drafts folder. Some of my longer contributions actually lead to 
interesting discussions, but that was often after that someone commented 
some small subset of the ideas in the RT. But my general experience is 
that its an inneficient way communicate and to influence development.

You get much better response by introducing one idea at the time. And by 
relating it to the current reality of your audience. And by having 
convincing use cases.

Contrary to what it would appear is the belief, I wrote the e-mail in
an effort to /help/ the Cocoon project.
I didn't doubt your positive intensions and don't think anyone else did 
either.

I knew I couldn't just get in
there and deliver all the changes myself, so I thought it was best to
get them out on paper ASAP, and get other people excited and
interested.
 

Selling ideas and geting other people excited and interested is a tough 
business, and selling complex ideas is even worse ;) The paragraph of 
mine that you cited in the begining describes some of the requirements 
that you have to adress to if you want to influence our community, 
according to my experience.

Sorry it didn't work out that way.
 

Nothing have worked out in any way at all yet. Going from ideas to to 
product requires persistance. You have presented your ideas in one way 
and while you didn't get the feedback that you hoped for, you got the 
usefull feedback that you need to present your ideas in a way that makes 
it easier for us to melt them. And also that most of us don't think that 
right now is the time for "the next generation".

And as I said, it seem to me that you have interesting ideas, make it 
more fun for you and us by presenting them one at a time.

/Daniel