Hi,

On 2 Dec 2005, at 17:59, Sylvain Wallez wrote:

My impression is that with all these changes, Cocoon will be sexy again. Add a bit of runtime analysis of databases and automatic generation of CForms to the picture, and you have something that has the same productivity as RoR, but in a J2EE environment.

This is the only bit I have a problem with so far ;-)

We need to do -far- more than your technical outline if we are to compete with the likes of RoR. We need to focus on the user experience:

* explain -why- you'd use Cocoon (i.e. more detailed user requirement descriptions of why you'd add the new features you outline would be a massive step forward). A good friend of mine is constantly saying "I don't understand why people would use Cocoon, I don't understand the use-case for it". Maybe the framework's got too bloated and obfuscated for people to understand the need for it?

* we need to make it easier to get up and running (I'm talking about packaged distributions that run "out of the box" and Cocoon project archetypes in m2). I'd also like to give a massive +1 to Carsten's comments about needing tools, though I'd say there's no harm in adding some magic in there as well for the people that don't want to use the tools just yet.

* dare I say it, we need to make Cocoon not just sexy but also -fun-.


Andrew.

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