Sure I’d be happy to talk at some time tomorrow. Let me know when you’re free. I’ll likely be in the hackathon room for a good portion of the day.
Cheers, -Rob > On Sep 9, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hi Rob - > > I'm here at ApacheCon this week, and would be happy to sit down with you and > others from the Commons group to talk about your logo update. Let me know > what time works best for your group. > > ~Kenneth > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com > > <mailto:gillese...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org > > <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : > >> > >> Thank you, Gilles. > >> > >> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was > >> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to > >> explore options for a future design. > > Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having > worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show earlier > this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get something > analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies everyone (granted > my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). > > Thoughts? > > -Rob > > >> > >> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the feather". > >> It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired motif that > >> it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. > > > > It was certainly not the intention. > > It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down > > to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of > > reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > > > >> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, > >> among other adjustments. > > > > Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" > > than a rotation. ;-) > > [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > > > >> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working > >> with you. > > > > Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I > > mentioned in the previous message, and the community can > > converge on a few ideas to help with the design. > > > > Best regards, > > Gilles > > > >> > >> Best, > >> Sally > >> > >> - - - > >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > >> Vice President Sponsor Relations > >> The Apache Software Foundation > >> > >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>> Hello. > >>> > >>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org > >>> <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : > >>>> > >>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > >>>> > >>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather > >>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a > >>>> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: > >>>> > >>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > >>>> <https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo> > >>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > >>>> <https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/> > >>>> - new logo > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > >>>> > >>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg> > >>> > >>> So is the choice between > >>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > >>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > >>> ? > >>> > >>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of > >>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint > >>>> across so many projects. > >>>> > >>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? > >>>> > >>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering having > >>>> Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & > >>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > >>> > >>> Help from experts is welcome. > >>> > >>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > >>> > >>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the > >>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > >>> > >>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > >>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your > >>>> needs. > >>> > >>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > >>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > >>> (feather included, if applicable) > >>> * No URL > >>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > >>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > >>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > >>> in "Commons" [4] > >>> > >>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the > >>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us > >>>> to have a few proposals developed. > >>> > >>> Great. > >>> > >>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. > >>> > >>> Fine with me. > >>> > >>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the > >>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. > >>> > >>> Now is a good time. > >>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few > >>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing > >>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > >>> > >>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > >>>> > >>>> Warm regards, > >>>> Sally > >>> > >>> Thank you very much for the offer, > >>> Gilles > >>> > >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86> > >>> [2] Discussion thread: > >>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > >>> <https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp> > >>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA pages: > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa> > >>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > >>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > >>> <http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/> > >>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > >>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > >>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > >>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide > >>> idea and a few examples. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>>>> Hello. > >>>>> > >>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > >>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > >>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > >>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Case in point is here: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg> > >>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). > >>>>> > >>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > >>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you, > >>>>> Gilles Sadowski > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] > >>>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > >>>>> <https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf> > >>>>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> > > >
