Thanks, Bill. Looking for 2 more positive votes to proceed. :)  I'd like to 
hear from Gary given his concerns on this thread.


> On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:00 AM, William Speirs <wspe...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Works for me... Carl, let me know how I can help.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:37 AM Carl Hall <carl.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’m in favor of releasing 1.8 because it’s ready and has had the most
>> attention in recent months/years.
>> After such, we put eyes on the 2.0 branch to ensure it is ready to be the
>> successive version. Once we’re happy with that, create a 1.x brach from
>> master, bring 2.0 to master, and see if we can get a 2.0 release out before
>> 2 more years.  :)
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2020, at 10:29 AM, William Speirs <wspe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is there to "clean up"? Sorry, just not following exactly what you
>>> mean.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Bill-
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:42 PM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think we should clean all of this up _now_ and then release 1.8.
>>>> 
>>>> What do others think?
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:44 PM Carl Hall <carl.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 to moving master to 1.8-SNAPSHOT and dealing with what's to come
>> with
>>>>> 2.0 at some future time in a 2.0 branch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can change master:pom.xml to be 1.8-SNAPSHOT then when the RC is out,
>>>>> merge release into master (1.8) and proceed to 1.9-SNAPSHOT. Advice?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The branch name is a review miss on my part. The command to see RC2 is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> $ git clone https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-dbutils.git
>>>>> --branch DBUTILS_1_8_RC2 commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2
>>>>> 
>>>>> The commons plugin generates a tag that doesn't match dbutils' history,
>>>>> but I didn't notice that until after RC1 and didn't want to change tag
>>>>> formats mid release. I think future releases should use the tag name
>>>> format
>>>>> from the commons plugin (e.g. commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2) and abandon the
>>>>> previous format (e.g. DBUTILS_1_8_RC2).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the help with this RC cycle. Clearly every couple of years
>> is
>>>>> not enough practice. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Bill Speirs <bill.spe...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My vote would be to make master 1.8-SNAPSHOT as I doubt 2.x will see
>>>> the
>>>>>> light-of-day for a LONG time... it's been 3+ years already. Continue
>>>> with
>>>>>> what Carl is trying to do, so we at least get _something_ out the
>> door.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, I _think_ I had to create 2_0 as the branch name, because svn
>> (at
>>>>> the
>>>>>> time) wouldn't let me use a dot... but I _might_ be mis-remembering.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:16 AM William Speirs <wspe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I'm unable to find that branch in git:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> $ git clone https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-dbutils.git
>>>>>>>> --branch <
>>>>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-dbutils.git--branch>
>>>>>>>> commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2 commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2
>>>>>>>> Cloning into 'commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2'...
>>>>>>>> fatal: Remote branch commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2 not found in upstream
>>>>> origin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> After cloning the repo, listing remote branches doesn't show
>>>> anything:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> $ git branch -r
>>>>>>>> origin/2_0
>>>>>>>> origin/HEAD -> origin/master
>>>>>>>> origin/master
>>>>>>>> origin/release
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bill-
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Right, I think we need to hit the pause button here and sort out 1.x
>>>>> versus
>>>>>>> a desired 2.0.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since there is a what looks like a 2.0 branch and our current release
>>>> is
>>>>>>> 1.x, I would assume that this release vote is being made from the
>>>>> release
>>>>>>> branch which has been merged from master.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But that does not seem to be the case, right? Since the pom.xml in
>>>>> master
>>>>>>> is 2.0-SNAPSHOT that would seem to indicate that the release branch
>>>>> comes
>>>>>>> from elsewhere, a 1.x branch? No, we do not have one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It feels to me like we should have one of either:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - branch master is 1.8-SNAPSHOT, merged into branch release. The 2.0
>>>>> work
>>>>>>> should be in branch 2_0 (which should renamed to 2.x IMO) until it is
>>>>>>> ready, package name change and all.
>>>>>>> or:
>>>>>>> - branch master is 2.0-SNAPSHOT. A currently non-existing branch 1.x
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> contain 1.x and branch release would come a merge of branch 1.x.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What do others think? The waters are too muddy for my scuba
>> capability
>>>>> ATM
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:56 AM Bruno P. Kinoshita <
>> ki...@apache.org
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  [x] +1 Release these artifacts
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Build passing with JDK 13 on Ubuntu LTS, from git tag (mvn clean
>>>> test
>>>>>>>>> install site). Reports look OK.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There are two SpotBugs bugs about default encoding that can be
>> fixed
>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>>> I suppose. Generating reports locally skipped PMD. For some reason,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> though the dist area's site has a PMD, and we have a pmd file in
>> the
>>>>>>>> root,
>>>>>>>>> my generated site didn't include that report. Not a blocker.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Found no issues with signatures of files in the dist area or in
>> this
>>>>>>> mvn
>>>>>>>>> repo [1]. Inspected src zip, and also found no issues.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging/commons-dbutils/commons-dbutils/1.8/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 7:50:40 pm NZDT, Carl Hall <
>>>>>>>>> thecarlh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We have fixed quite a few bugs and added some significant
>>>> enhancements
>>>>>>>>> since Apache Commons DbUtils 1.7 was released, so I would like to
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>> Apache Commons DbUtils 1.8.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> RC2 handles closing connections only when owned, and addresses
>>>>>>> generated
>>>>>>>>> javadoc, NOTICE year update, and release notes detail.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apache Commons DbUtils 1.8 RC2 is available for review here:
>>>>>>>>>  https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2
>>>>>>> (svn
>>>>>>>>> revision 37533)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The Git tag commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2 commit for this RC is
>>>>>>>>> 9be04e5cc990deee3ba672aa8060c523db897b7a which you can browse here:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=commons-dbutils.git;a=commit;h=9be04e5cc990deee3ba672aa8060c523db897b7a
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You may checkout this tag using:
>>>>>>>>>  git clone
>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-dbutils.git
>>>>>>>>> --branch commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2 commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Maven artifacts are here:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://repository.apache.org/service/local/repositories/orgapachecommons-1488/content/commons-dbutils/commons-dbutils/1.8/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> These are the artifacts and their hashes:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> #Release SHA-512s
>>>>>>>>> #Wed Jan 08 22:43:42 PST 2020
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-tests.jar=0228b8f564642709b0581434f39433f872c77891b5a5d70f473aa8e6cfb14721890982fc4afcde064795ca63753d50ecfc2a173665174bf6fc2683af9770eed9
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-bin.tar.gz.asc=ac5b2da84f1ca0f4605b61583c7d907cb68774a229620d08e7c36e4513435ffbebeb31cae313411e6b0f9dd70e60d55317826e14a43c7c47dcf1c98db03f2396
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-test-sources.jar=075ac4a74cad06a34d901c088f323c59dbe1b9eea076404212ed63b7eb6fa3a266ada20aa63264e89c4203d8d6140fb556acd89ff4e08b21f3f9693de11543a5
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-test-sources.jar.asc=baf8d0e9477d02eac7c3f4be5ac9358378bf46778b4c3159586b336e9300c18888ae8c89dd80b22daaeb6b0aafe09c3a6277baddef9e8898c990986cc57df989
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8.pom.asc=659f6bfda15f588d00bd53b4204ab2de8eba20a5e484619a1770816e9cb7372846499bc87b9b7629a3fc0c6e3b4f1b740362468aea232286318feeddc4c3bfc5
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-javadoc.jar=115b21ecf633185aa055ce2392ce6298bc45a50278fbce10892ee9493293cdde39149f2ff739848f2557058c7e5c866dcb765e2773a28f890725ddf328c73259
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-sources.jar.asc=2e1709b4f9dfc1f9320127dded40b9af9c19a5e249aaac9deadd38aee572a28ecb7ef8de559b93c97b6093596cadd70e180b99787b82965e0f5d8376adfac8fb
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-bin.zip.asc=e5cb25909f68e5d0a3249ca484d10b97b859ed56e92072b13ca64c85d18686605189703e2e146343247b6a64e3e20b4c7e07e12f40b37c87d305a9d71e951581
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-bin.tar.gz=c8a9cf0c59a64cbe4717edeb377a85fd8395c4bbd9eb124d24099d04fd6e8e3b87063bf4bfaca63e58d8deb80a651b4d9fc03c00db56f0ea0d93053f61138f4f
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-src.tar.gz=5277ebf4ed36a4301ce7a6280885360ea51ebc82771a01405684397fa33144c00214e5ac7a3b4aad75ec4dd6d3eb46ef083321bf03414dce29982c553da1360e
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-javadoc.jar.asc=9a6bca512db25dcd6be9215862b1f04cfd86ad58f6c21d3cbcebe1ad9137e5dc3417d05db915acc4fc6f22ef0c40893c401a77568148d714f66375ea66da2078
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-src.tar.gz.asc=d7ace200a63c2ee705cda7d4d5b62d401b8cb9e54b5b4a582e3e8f0c62f16ac964ebf5f440ad39f60344d28771f6942833c241c9163ced70f5bb7dfd256989c5
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-src.zip.asc=3c4e20ceb0a0c071cc425be3a4604651de47df2be7bf1985525d319fc3c8035299a75ba558172411338d0174d504cddd7c22dc35d334a21b043f885fdabcd736
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-tests.jar.asc=a9df8e97c85f437223ae0ba02fafba542c978a44ec12a61cf742e261e238e4bd9a4d7bb1239c8101aeede7d88ba4ad647ceb2eaececb1cc3c4027d9308491a00
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-sources.jar=425dcae024bc592ce38238fde0e2d7eaf919fa238d64e23796c383afa30892d6c4a7850e9f405fe7d0fcd32dde97568f1ef2e708cbb193311746744ce0425fa0
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-bin.zip=ee4819761efccc4ba3de929672a81415a787775eff0175ea782687a669e305b159e483f21e38f020e5459e3aff11adff02aa762d4aa7c0b35a2925e45730d61d
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8.jar.asc=e7555a17fd6a85aa0b80d54e163809bfae839a5b23f4e57c5d804fb039ec37599df08d45dadef8b33bc7ee26d17c1612062bdaf2c07ecc576773c583ed9048ff
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> commons-dbutils-1.8-src.zip=5363310bda5f09337992f7d2ed4b73b3d76d8107101584a1d14487a55665476ff47989fb4e2ddbbe139b5fe36faf7a7b14d99aaf89cb8dc48c605531d61d35b9
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (no need for .asc hashes!)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have tested this with ***'mvn clean install site'*** using:
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>> Use the output from "mvn -version" for each combination you tested.
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Details of changes since 1.7 are in the release notes:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/site/changes-report.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Site:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>>  (note some *relative* links are broken and the 1.8 directories
>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> yet created - these will be OK once the site is deployed.)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> CLIRR Report (compared to 1.7):
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/site/clirr-report.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> JApiCmp Report (compared to 1.7):
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/site/japicmp.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  ***
>>>>>>>>>  Note that Clirr reports several errors.
>>>>>>>>>  These are considered OK for the reasons stated below.
>>>>>>>>>  These exceptions are also noted in the Changes and Release Notes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Errors reported:
>>>>>>>>>  - methods added to interface: OK because that does not affect
>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>  - etc.
>>>>>>>>>  ***
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> RAT Report:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/dbutils/1.8-RC2/site/rat-report.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> KEYS:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dist/commons/KEYS
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please review the release candidate and vote.
>>>>>>>>> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Release these artifacts
>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 OK, but...
>>>>>>>>> [ ] -0 OK, but really should fix...
>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 I oppose this release because...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Carl Hall,
>>>>>>>>> Release Manager (using key 1e5ab6d3cf8ebf5f)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For following is intended as a helper and refresher for reviewers.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Validating a release candidate
>>>>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> These guidelines are NOT complete.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Requirements: Git, Java, Maven.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can validate a release from a release candidate (RC) tag as
>>>>>>> follows.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1) Clone and checkout the RC tag
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> git clone https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-dbutils.git
>>>>>>>>> --branch commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2 commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2
>>>>>>>>> cd commons-dbutils-1.8-RC2
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2) Check Apache licenses
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This step is not required if the site includes a RAT report page
>>>> which
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> then must check.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn apache-rat:check
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 3) Check binary compatibility
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Older components still use Apache Clirr:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This step is not required if the site includes a Clirr report page
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> you then must check.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn clirr:check
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Newer components use JApiCmp with the japicmp Maven Profile:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This step is not required if the site includes a JApiCmp report
>> page
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> you then must check.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn install -DskipTests -P japicmp japicmp:cmp
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 4) Build the package
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn -V clean package
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can record the Maven and Java version produced by -V in your
>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>>> reply.
>>>>>>>>> To gather OS information from a command line:
>>>>>>>>> Windows: ver
>>>>>>>>> Linux: uname -a
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 5) Build the site for a single module project
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Note: Some plugins require the components to be installed instead
>> of
>>>>>>>>> packaged.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn site
>>>>>>>>> Check the site reports in:
>>>>>>>>> - Windows: target\site\index.html
>>>>>>>>> - Linux: target/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 6) Build the site for a multi-module project
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mvn site
>>>>>>>>> mvn site:stage
>>>>>>>>> Check the site reports in:
>>>>>>>>> - Windows: target\site\index.html
>>>>>>>>> - Linux: target/site/index.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -the end-
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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