Hi Gilles,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 4:36 AM Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> 2020-06-01 22:18 UTC+02:00, Amey Jadiye <ameyjad...@gmail.com>:
> > Thanks for all the information/support guys. I dug into the archives and
> > found this[1] is the most recent interest shown by someone in
> > commons-graph.
> > even created a Jira[2] with lots of digestible information and todo
> already
> > but never progressed anymore. looks like maintainers left it here[3] with
> > no more progress.
> >
> > I used the existing commons-graph 0.1-SNAPSHOT  and basic things look
> good
> > to me however need more things for my project and I found them in some
> > other OSS libs. I will be happy to see commons-graph graduated and see it
> > as the proper component, with my free time I will be working on this for
> > the next couple of weeks. I see the problem of graph being not on GitHub
> > though, I hope communication on Jira will suffice and effective to
> > communicate the patches (as graph is on svn).
>
> You can always post a new message with the specific subject
> of moving it to git, in order to elicit opinions and, maybe,
> conditions.
>

Let me do that, it be good we move for further management of code and
contribution.

>
> >
> > I see some 16 Jiras open right now in the sandbox[4] so I will pick up
> some
> > of them. I like the idea to compare the commons-graph with other
> libraries
> > and that makes roadmap to have all the features plus some more which are
> > not even in them.
> >
> > Now to start with I wanted to clear little confusion with what is
> released
> > and what's not, I see two releases of commons-graph on maven central[5]
> it
> > shows apache feather on it not sure if commons PMC released it with fork?
> > versions are  0.8 and 0.8.1 however site[6] shows just a 0.1-SNAPSHOT. I
> > went further to compare code decompiled from maven central jar(0.8.1)
> with
> > what's in svn(0.1-SNAPSHOT)  *differences are huge*, leaving it. and
> > focusing on whats on svn.
> >
> > since the commons-graph is not as huge as some of the other commons
> > projects to be modular at this point. we should progress it with a single
> > module and after it stabilized in proper we can think of modularization.
>
> IMHO, it is preferable to make the component modular
> sooner (while it is relatively small) rather than later.
> As this will require to determine which parts need to
> belong together and the (acyclic graph of) dependencies,
> it will probably help improve the design.
>
If that's the case it should be 1st thing to do, I will create structure
and propose for opinions.

>
> > let me know your opinions please.
>
> In the list of projects that use a graph abstraction, there is
> "Commons RDF".  I guess that it would be interesting to see
> whether/how it could depend on "Commons Graph".
>
> Regards,
> Gilles
>
> >
> > [1] https://markmail.org/message/2xrwjomgkhlxsezm
> >
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SANDBOX-458
> >
> > [3] https://markmail.org/message/niudr4rdz46sjis2
> >
> > [4]
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SANDBOX-458?jql=project%20%3D%20SANDBOX%20AND%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20AND%20component%20%3D%20graph%20ORDER%20BY%20key%20DESC%2C%20priority%20DESC%2C%20updated%20DESC
> >
> > [5] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/commons-graph/commons-graph/0.8.1
> >
> > [6] https://commons.apache.org/sandbox/commons-graph/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Amey Jadiye
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:22 PM Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a vague interest in this library as Jenkins includes a bunch of
> >> graph logic for scheduling builds and such. It'd be nice to use a
> >> proper graph API someday. :)
> >>
> >> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:34, Bruno P. Kinoshita <ki...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Amey!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >> 3. Any pending work or jiras available which I can help to graduate
> >> commons
> >> > >> graph? this is not available
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/GRAPH ?
> >> > >
> >> > >Strange; again maybe the reason is in the ML archive.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I believe projects in the Sandbox use the common JIRA project
> >> > "SANDBOX":
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/SANDBOX
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And each component has a component under the SANDBOX project. The
> graph
> >> issues are under the graph component:
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SANDBOX-460?jql=project%20%3D%20SANDBOX%20AND%20component%20%3D%20Graph
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Coincidentally, I also am working on a project with graphs, and
> >> yesterday started looking for cyclic graph unfolding algorithms to do
> >> some
> >> experiments. Even though my project is in Python, I was going to look at
> >> the commons-graph to see if there was any useful code there.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Also, I **think** someone mentioned something about bringing graph
> >> algorithms to commons-collections. It might be worth checking if there's
> >> any overlap work in collections&graph.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Bruno
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sunday, 31 May 2020, 1:12:56 am NZST, Gilles Sadowski <
> >> gillese...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello.
> >> >
> >> > Le sam. 30 mai 2020 à 14:12, Amey Jadiye <ameyjad...@gmail.com> a
> écrit
> >> :
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi All,
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm working on an interesting project which uses Graph, I knew there
> >> > > is
> >> > > commons-graph available and I'm trying to use it. I have a couple of
> >> > > questions.
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Why graph in the sandbox?
> >> >
> >> > Probably because work stopped before a first release.
> >> >
> >> > It might be worth digging into the ML archive in order to
> >> > know why that happened.
> >> >
> >> > > any plan of releasing it with 1.0 ?
> >> >
> >> > No.  But you may come up with one. :-)
> >> >
> >> > > 2. I don't see its repo on GitHub thus I cant contribute a
> >> > > few improvements/additions I'm thinking?
> >> >
> >> > You could install and use Subversion, providing patches
> >> > through JIRA.
> >> >
> >> > > any plan of moving from svn to git?
> >> >
> >> > IMHO not before we know the answer to your first question.
> >> >
> >> > > 3. Any pending work or jiras available which I can help to graduate
> >> commons
> >> > > graph? this is not available
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/GRAPH ?
> >> >
> >> > Strange; again maybe the reason is in the ML archive.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Gilles
>
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