On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:45 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 14:36, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Why not just run dependabot weekly. We move slowly enough that weekly > currently works. Until we can get more hands on the project, slower comms > are indeed reasonable…right? > > Weekly runs won't reduce the number of emails, except where a single > dependency has been updated twice in a week. >
I'm baffled by your reply: If I get one email a day for a week for a new dependency version, that's 7 emails. If I get one email a week for a dependency, let me see..., that's one a week. So it's seven times LESS. Gary > > I don't see how it is possible to reduce the noise from dependabot. > > > -Rob > > > > > On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Saving dev/human resources is about having a CI, all mentionned > plugins of > > > the thread support it properly while cronned. > > > Difference is the scope of the checks: CVE only, all deps, plugins and > code > > > (which is where most people don't like since it is trivial to have > false > > > positive and dependabot falls there). > > > > > > I agree CVE are a crucial topic but dependabot is NOT done for them, > it is > > > done for dependencies as a whole and is full of bugs so until it is > refined > > > to be more relevant and bulked differently (maybe *1* mail a week) > then it > > > is not an option for an everyday work IMHO. > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > > < > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > > > > > > > > > >> Le mer. 29 déc. 2021 à 15:18, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> a > > >> écrit : > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:07 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 13:54, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> One critical feature is that dependabot does all the builds for you > on > > >>>> GitHub Actions, this is an enormous time and resource saver! > > >>> > > >>> Not at all. > > >>> Just the reverse. > > >>> > > >>> It does NOT save resources, because it runs builds for updates that > > >>> are not necessary at that point in time (or ever, in some cases). > > >>> > > >>> Nor does it same time, because the the noise that it generates. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Please stop pretending that Dependabot does things it does not (and > > >>> likely cannot) do. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Oh, boy, Sebb, it feels like you are purposely misunderstanding my > POV. > > >> It's as simple as I stated: > > >> > > >> If Dependabot detects that a new version of a dependency is available, > > >> creates a branch, runs a build, tells me the result and I have a PR I > can > > >> merge, *that is all work and time *I* do not have to do manually! Why > is > > >> that so hard to understand?* > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> > > >> > > >>>> Gary > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 08:51 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > >>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> @Rob: dependabot is mainly about dependencies upgrades and it is > > >>> also > > >>>>> why > > >>>>>> it is so chatty and has so much false positives. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, I am well aware. But I do not see how a robot telling you to > > >>> simply > > >>>>> upgrade is a problem? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Maybe I’m missing something but my impression is that’s what > > >> dependabot > > >>>>> does right? Tell you you need to upgrade? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -Rob > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> If you want to focus on > > >>>>>> CVE then setting up on the CI > > >>>>>> https://sonatype.github.io/ossindex-maven/maven-plugin/ is way > > >> more > > >>>>>> efficient and accurate (basically when it fails you must act) so > > >>>>> dependabot > > >>>>>> is a great reporting tool for managers but not to work on an > > >> everyday > > >>>>> basis > > >>>>>> IMHO until it is very finely configure but commons is far to need > > >> so > > >>> much > > >>>>>> investment since there already have solutions for everything > needed > > >>> IMHO. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > >>>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > >>>>>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > >>>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > > >>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > > >>>>>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > >>>>>> < > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Le mer. 29 déc. 2021 à 14:39, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> > a > > >>>>> écrit : > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Guys. I think dependabot is our greatest advantage in the work > > >>> against > > >>>>>>> security problems. I know she has her failings and is chatty. > > >> But, I > > >>>>> think > > >>>>>>> we should open a line of thinking about how best she can help. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The reason she’s a pain in the ass is that we don’t have enough > > >>> hands on > > >>>>>>> the project making it better. I know I would help more, but I > have > > >>> to > > >>>>> keep > > >>>>>>> up with my father who’s a quadriplegic as well as a currently > > >>> failing > > >>>>>>> marriage. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The answer is that we need more hands on the project. I wish I > > >>> could be > > >>>>>>> those hands but time and priorities keep me chained. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>> -Rob > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Gilles Sadowski < > > >> gillese...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Le mer. 29 déc. 2021 à 12:18, Thomas Vandahl <t...@apache.org> a > > >>> écrit > > >>>>> : > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>> Thank you, Phil. This thing is a P.I.T.A. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> In effect, from day one: > > >>>>>>>> https://markmail.org/message/2vutc4p3b3eqv73f > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Basically, the argument is that > > >>>>>>>> * the (dependabot) feature is too important to be disabled > > >>>>>>>> * the annoyed people should filter out those mails (which I > > >>>>>>>> did since no one at the time supported that they be diverted > > >>>>>>>> to another ML). > > >>>>>>>> Did anything change since then? > > >>>>>>>> [Or do we eventually question the general anomaly that code > > >>>>>>>> discussions have been almost completely off-loaded to GH?] > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Gilles > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 28.12.2021 um 19:20 schrieb Phil Steitz < > > >>> phil.ste...@gmail.com>: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I can no longer effectively monitor commits@ due to the spam > > >>>>>>> generated by this tool. I am afraid my eyeballs aren't the only > > >>> ones > > >>>>> going > > >>>>>>> missing here and that is a problem much more severe than any > value > > >>>>> provided > > >>>>>>> by this tool, IMO. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Phil > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Bye, Thomas > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > >
