An opinion poll is not the same as voting on a procedural issue. Best regards,
Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > The principle/policy/rule of the ASF regarding code changes is very > explicit, well documented and unambiguous. Can a project's PMC have another > methodology in place while being part of the ASF? I guess not. > > Consensus with respect to on and off boarding of people is nice, as it > expresses unanimity. And I, as I expect it to be for all, am all for it. > But to have it as an requirement would be a show stopper. > > Would it be ok for the ASF if there were a project under its umbrella, > that would say: that majority voting principle you for procedural issues is > nice, but for us - when it comes to people - we veto > promotors/speakers/book writers to participate in our project with > privileges (commit right, PMC membership)? Or, that it vetoes people from > France (this is example, I have nothing against people from France or even > with the French nationality)? > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On 23 March 2015 at 09:02, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > When it comes to people, consensus (acceptance by unanimity) is the best >> > thing to have. But if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are >> > allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its >> policy? >> > >> >> I think it is a matter of wording, I do not think it is a ASF Principle >> (actually not sure how that relates to "policy") that veto is not allowed, >> Consensus is the ASF Principle. We all want to avoid Vetos, for many good >> reasons, but that it not the same as not being allowed. >> >> As a Foundation we try to have very few rules and policies, and let the >> communities handle how they want to do it, this here is surely >> a case where we do not a foundation wide rule. >> >> I would have no problem, if the wording on the page was something like "it >> is recommended not to use Veto" >> >> Pierre@ maybe just for my understanding, why would ASF be better, if we >> make this rule foundation wide, instead of leaving it up to >> the single community ? >> >> rgds >> jan I. >> >> >> > Best regards, >> > >> > >> > Pierre Smits >> > >> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> > Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> > Based Manufacturing, Professional >> > Services and Retail & Trade >> > http://www.orrtiz.com >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Le 22/03/2015 14:42, jan i a écrit : >> > > >> > >> On 22 March 2015 at 14:35, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> HI Bertrand, >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks for the clarification regarding >> > >>> http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html >> > >>> >> > >>> Shouldn't http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html then also >> > >>> explicitly >> > >>> reflect that vetoes aren't allowed when it comes to on- and >> ofboarding >> > >>> contributors as committer and PMC member? That would surely bring >> > >>> clarity. >> > >>> >> > >>> I would be very unhappy with "aren´t allowed", that is something >> the >> > >> individual PMCs should decide ! >> > >> >> > > >> > > Yes indeed that's PMCs 's remit; we just need to clarify the ASF >> default. >> > > >> > > Jacques >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> rgds >> > >> jan I. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Best regards, >> > >>> >> > >>> Pierre Smits >> > >>> >> > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> > >>> Services and Retail & Trade >> > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> > >>> >> > >>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < >> > >>> bdelacre...@apache.org >> > >>> >> > >>>> wrote: >> > >>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Jacques Le Roux >> > >>>> <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> ...Thanks for the clarification Bertrand, this was also unclear to >> > me. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> Should >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> we not amend the newcommitter page?.. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> That would be great, I don't have time right now myself. >> > >>>> -Bertrand >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> > >
