I think you misinterpreted a couple things... On Nov 17, 2016 02:18, "Noah Slater" <nsla...@apache.org> wrote:. > > I quoted a chunk of an email that was sent to me privately because the > person who sent it had already offered to copy it to the list. I saved him > the trouble by excerpting the bit I wanted to remark on.
If you had permission, please suggest 'shared with your permission...' rather than 'from your private message to me'. You can see how others will misconstrue this and question your behavior. > More to the point, the code of conduct explicitly states that grievances > can be aired publicly. Yes. But bringing the CoC hammer down in a public way never solves anything other than a sense of righteousness or superiority, c.f. cited article, and the CoC itself. Please take time to read and reflect on it, and share your thoughts. The authors are not insensitive people and would welcome constructive feedback. We have a very basic principle here at the ASF that we consider individuals in private, within the PMC for inclusion, to spare them the humiliation of being rejected if the PMC is not on board with their becoming a new committer or PMC member here and now. Better to revisit it another time. We should initially treat most disciplinary measures similarly. If they can be resolved quietly and spare embarrassment, great. If the complainant demands more than that, then they too are part of the culture problem. And in the US there are certain liabilities of slander that have to be considered, whether the accusation is factual or not. > And regarding your "cesspool" comment. I'm not sure that's a fair, or > useful, characterisation. Whoa... What I said, which wasn't in response to this specific incident, was... > If you have an *actionable* and *productive* suggestion for the *ASF* > please present it, but let's not let this list become that cesspool > for endlessly debating the subject, This is on the topic of Dave and Helen's reflections on the effective application and potential for abuse of CoCs in general. I'll let folks fall down that rabbit hole on that FB discussion thread, but let's keep that noise off this list until we can come back with actionable proposals, because the topic of 'to have or not to have' a CoC is itself a trap. Cesspool was not a reflection on the discussion in the other thread. Hope that clarifies my post.
