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> On Mar 29, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I wonder, when voting in new ASF Members is there the discussion on each > nominee to achieve consensus... > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > OFBiz based solutions & services > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:mar...@rectangular.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 05:13 >>> To: dev@community.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Vetoes for New Committers?? >>> >> [ ... ] >>> >>> Most PMCs do not draft their own rules, and just use "at least 3 +1 >>> with no vetoes". CouchDB's majority-rule for committers is unusual. I >>> hope that CouchDB's bylaws are not adopted as a template for others, >>> as I believe that the rule on committer voting is counter to an >>> important institutional tradition in Apache governance. >>> >> [ ... ] >> [orcmid] >> >> I think there are common misunderstandings about where vetoes are allowed >> (as opposed to No votes that need to be addressed as part of >> consensus-seeking and community cultivation). >> >> My understanding is that votes on *procedural*matters* have no vetoes by >> default, but the effort to achieve consensus is always important in the >> presence of Nays. Treating nays as vetoes is often inappropriate because >> it admits a form of bull-dozing in the negative. Note that lazy consensus >> is a form of unanimous consent, with no explicit requirement for 3 +1s; >> here an objection is not a veto since lazy consensus is specifically an >> if-no-objection proposal and objections are invited. >> >> The only firm veto seems to be on commits. And, of course, the 3 +1s >> majority is *specifically* for eligible votes on release candidates (and >> which cannot be vetoed). >> >> The veto business (and the 3 +1s) seem to leak all over PMC practice >> without ever being made an explicit policy as some sort of urban legend. >> The fact that a podling mentor can veto actions (and also claim the myths >> as policy) is probably confusing in that regard (if that is still the IPMC >> practice). >> >> - Dennis >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org