> On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel <oru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation
> or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets
> just make sure together that these conferences are what we want."
>
> I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how
> vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers.
You are not “wrong”, but within the ASF ecosystem this large problem already
exists with some of our projects having vendor run “Summits”. It’s a different
problem than who is managing Community over Code production. It’s a community
health problem and an example of Foundation educational and governance
improvements.
How can ComDev help ASF PMCs improve on that existing, very complex, and thorny
issue?
Best,
Dave
>
> Owen Rubel
> oru...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 8:04 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik <di...@webweaving.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The
>>> responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but
>> communication
>>> around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it
>>> has for many years.
>>
>> Thanks for many years of undying service and making this event a community
>> one !
>>>
>>> It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house,
>> which,
>>> of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years.
>>
>> Amen to that. And as to those that worry about this marketing `takeover'
>> -- in the end of the day - the ASF, as a fully volunteer ran organisation,
>> relies on us, as individuals, to strike that balance that makes these
>> conferences so attractive to us volunteers & our community. We, volunteers
>> vote with our feet !
>>
>> So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation
>> or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets
>> just make sure together that these conferences are what we want.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Dw.
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