I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet)
So, are we rejecting tools too? The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool" and "add a plugin" "YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps." 2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com>: > Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to > putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is > that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us > to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to > suggest, then we should be good. > > To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to: > - curate the existing list > - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open > > Any takers for those two tasks? > > Kindly, > Dmitry > > > On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. > > Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate > > apps. > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal < > nikhi...@microsoft.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by > >> whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will > not > >> be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has > been > >> quite significant in this area. > >> > >> At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps. > >> > >> -Nikhil > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > >> > >> I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app > >> that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a > good > >> example of a great Cordova App. > >> - remove the "add your app" > >> - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short > >> description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if > someone > >> opposed with a -1 > >> - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy > the > >> goal > >> - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: > >>> - request detailed app descriptions from submitters > >>> - curate based on detailed criteria > >>> - curate based on loose criteria > >>> - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase > >>> - just accept all requests > >>> > >>> Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel > >>> like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that > >>> displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the > >>> easiest way to achieve this. > >>> > >>> Kindly, > >>> Dmitry > >>> > >>>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers > >>>> build a > >>> better app“. > >>>> > >>>> I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we > >>>> don’t > >>> need that. > >>>> > >>>> And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or > >>>> mostly > >>> clean from any Framework. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Joerg > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva <rsa...@microsoft.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>> The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate > >>> that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree > >>> that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we > >>> fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng > >>> of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova > >>>>> committers > >>> to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I > >>> like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App > >>> developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but > >>> they have to submit something that helps other developers build a > better > >> app. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: > >>>>> > >>>>> Must appear in a public store > >>>>> Must use Cordova > >>>>> Minimum 4 start rating > >>>>> Minimum 1,000 downloads > >>>>> Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which > >>>>> platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used? > >>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > >>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something > >>>>> about problems – Development environment and tools used > >>>>> > >>>>> Thoughts? > >>>>> rjs > >>>>> > >>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio > >>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com > >>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Joerg Holz [mailto:h...@hamburg.de] > >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM > >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps > >>>>> > >>>>> thx for agreeing, but I see things different: > >>>>> > >>>>> – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? > >>>>> > >>>>> – What mean's popular, count of downloads? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not > >>>>> from > >>> the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has > >>> not to say why an app is good. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for > >>>>> helping > >>> people and doing the small, but important, things. > >>>>> > >>>>> The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with > >>>>> Cordova > >>> don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason > >>> why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Jörg > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N <panar...@microsoft.com > >>> : > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the > >>>>>> page > >>> is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One > >>> perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast > >>> enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like > >> one. > >>>>>> - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing > >>>>>> - The app is popular, something that our users may have come > >>>>>> across, > >>> or would like to try. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I > >>>>>> fear > >>> that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It > >>> would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from > >>> these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova > apps. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <h...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for > >>> developers, nothing more. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the > >>> public: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Are complex apps working well? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – How is an app exactly developed? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site > >>>>>>> has > >>> to tell details about the app. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That means: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about > >>>>>>> their > >>> solutions, for example: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Which plugins are used? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Which frameworks are used, if any? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Something about problems > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> – Developing enviroment > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category > >>> (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with > >>> all apps on a second page. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joerg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This was part of my hesitation in doing this. > >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&; > >>>>>>>> data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08 > >>>>>>>> d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j > >>>>>>>> 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions > >>>>>>>> a week, and someone has to look at > >>> them, > >>>>>>>> validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android > >>>>>>>> apps, > >>> and there > >>>>>>>> are 24 apps per page. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? > >>> mature? > >>>>>>>> We cannot display every app submitted. > >>>>>>>> I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to > >>>>>>>> have > >>> to do > >>>>>>>> this. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2f > >>>>>>>> phonegap.com%2fapp%2fandroid%2fpage30%2f&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh > >>>>>>>> %40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86 > >>>>>>>> f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=nb0SdGVESw8oFtNdQxYNRoOL1bKT7vf > >>>>>>>> maXep4hQevkA%3d > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My team is hiring! > >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage > >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&d > >>>>>>>> ata=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d > >>>>>>>> 2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=706mqaB8n > >>>>>>>> 8QvdQl2bA30UyGqKWmxzAkBJgT0jPcBAa0%3d > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Dmitry Blotsky < > >>> dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, there are two items to address here: > >>>>>>>>> - display policy > >>>>>>>>> - content policy > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following policy for app content: > >>>>>>>>> - if the app is on an app store, it is OK to show on our page > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I propose the following strategy for app display: > >>>>>>>>> - show 6 apps and 6 tools > >>>>>>>>> - pick them at random at each page load from their respective > >>>>>>>>> lists > >>>>>>>>> - when we agree on quality metrics: > >>>>>>>>> - use them to sort instead of picking randomly OR > >>>>>>>>> - pick arbitrarily at our discretion > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kindly, > >>>>>>>>> Dmitry > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:19 PM, julio cesar sanchez < > >>> jcesarmob...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I think every cordova app should be accepted and displayed, > >>>>>>>>>> but we > >>> should > >>>>>>>>>> create a "Featured apps" section like > >>>>>>>>> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=phonegap.com&data=0 > >>> 1%7c01%7cdblotsky%40microsoft.com%7cb6348c11e8b944fe70cf08d2d66f7669%7 > >>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eDhU2NWipwMST6Kvu%2bxGRZVs > >>> eukwYgOoS2QBhmPTK78%3d > >>> , > >>>>>>>>> where we show "the best > >>>>>>>>>> of the best", or show the best on first page > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2015-10-16 23:07 GMT+02:00 Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for curation. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, > >> yeah? > >>> Apps > >>>>>>>>>>> that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser > >>>>>>>>>>> (bows...@gmail.com) > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to > >>>>>>>>>>> make > >>> sure > >>>>>>>>> they're > >>>>>>>>>>> legit. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < > >>>>>>>>> dblot...@microsoft.com> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the > >>> showcase to > >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app > >>>>>>>>>>>> store, > >>> but the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Android app store has no curation. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >>>>>>> h...@hamburg.de > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> RELAUNCHED: > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fw > >>>>>>> ww.workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.co > >>>>>>> m%7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd0 > >>>>>>> 11db47%7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dq > >>>>>>> g%3d > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >>>>> h...@hamburg.de > >>>>> > >>>>> RELAUNCHED: > >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww > >>>>> .workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7c > >>>>> b4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 > >>>>> %7c1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80 > >>>> h...@hamburg.de > >>>> > >>>> RELAUNCHED: > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww. > >>>> workflow-management.net&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cb4 > >>>> e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c > >>>> 1&sdata=%2f5DJs4wLmVE2h3mxf8WSUCVl5L%2bMK0KpytC%2bnQn1Dqg%3d > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >> > >
