I think we could do a better job with our guide at [1] which we need to update anyway with all the github issues going on now. The Apache site also has some really good text on lazy-consensus [2]
Ultimately though, I think it comes down to all of us just doing it. If someone shows up on this list, and we are all following a clear process, it is probably pretty easy to jump in. [1] https://cordova.apache.org/contribute/contribute_guidelines.html [2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html @purplecabbage risingj.com On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Chris Brody <chris.br...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Jesse, that "one rule" was not clear to me until just now. > > Any suggestions about how we should this clear to new contributors, > new committers, and new Cordova developers in general? > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:22 AM Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > We actually used to be a lot stricter with this, but I think the one rule > > is, was, and for always should be "If it didn't happen on the list, it > > didn't happen." > > > > When Cordova was being driven by larger entities, the > > Adobe/IBM/Google/Intel/Microsoft years, we had tons of contentious > > decisions as companies to some extent were also representing their own > > interests in the library. In this era, everything had to be finalized on > > the list. We would discuss elsewhere, collaborate where-ever, but the > > decision always came back to the list, so everyone had a chance to be > > involved. > > > > There are many other mediums which make collaboration flow better, and we > > should continue to embrace them, just bring it back to the list as a > > discuss thread here so there are no surprises. The list also serves as a > > living record of every decision we have made over the years, and > hopefully > > will become a book someday, if not a movie ... > > > > > > @purplecabbage > > risingj.com > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Darryl Pogue <dvpdin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > To expand on this a bit more, annoying as the mailing list might be, I > > > think the project would be better for having a more active mailing > > > list and not having discussions spread across lists and multiple > > > GitHub repos and Slack and JIRA and various Google Docs. I'm > > > definitely guilty of adding to that spread of information because it's > > > convenient, but it does impose a bit of a barrier for participation. > > > > > > The idea is that all decisions have to happen on the mailing list, > > > because this is the one place that all Cordova devs are supposed to be > > > subscribed. This is the one place that everyone can watch to keep on > > > top of what's happening in the project. > > > > > > We've been *terrible* at that over the years, and it's made it hard to > > > provide feedback on changes because I didn't know they were happening. > > > Roadmaps were discussed in face-to-face meetings or video calls and > > > not brought back to the list for review, and it was hard to find out > > > what was being worked on short of stumbling upon tasks in JIRA or > > > watching peoples' personal GitHub forks. > > > I don't say that to put blame on anyone, because they were doing what > > > they'd always done and there wasn't (and isn't) a culture of bringing > > > things back to the list. But I do say it because I think we can > > > improve and I think it's worthwhile to try to use the list as the > > > place for discussions so that there's a recorded history of decisions. > > > > > > I know plaintext email doesn't offer nearly as much in the way of > > > formatting, so at the very least it would be good to send a link to > > > proposal documents to the list, and ask for feedback to be posted in > > > that thread. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:32 AM Darryl Pogue <dvpdin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Apache Software Foundation projects use mailing lists for > communication. > > > > It is The Apache Way. > > > > > > > > See http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#communication > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:10 AM Chris Brody <chris.br...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would really love to see a better discussion forum for ideas. I > > > > > think the mail list is not so handy for forums with > cross-referencing > > > > > and cordova-discuss proved to be a failure. npm.community seems to > > > > > have nailed it, though it may have been meant to solve another > > > > > problem. Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >
