I just got a spam-bounce of this message returned to me.  I am sending it from 
a different e-mail to see if it gets through.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 09:30
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: svn commit: r1649986 - /incubator/corinthia/www/index.html

I need to make something clear here.

For me, this is an open-source project.

On open-source projects at Apache at least, contributors contribute where they 
are moved to contribute and for whatever satisfaction they find in what they 
are doing.

I am left with the impression that others have ideas about where I should be 
finding that.  But that's not my agenda (even if I knew what my agenda were), 
that's someone else's agenda.  

I don't doubt that Peter has an eye on a variety of research topics and also 
some approaches that he is aware of (e.g., in parser construction) that he 
wants to try out.  That's fine.  I may or may not be intrigued enough to follow 
him down those paths.

It may be that projects are more mature than Corinthia when they tend to come 
over to the ASF.  I don't know.  Or perhaps I just haven't studied the code 
enough to understand that there is sufficient architectural structure to 
follow, as in looking into the filter cases.  I was starting at an even lower 
level, something basic like how can any of this be compiled and worked on using 
a Windows desktop platform.  (So I am immediately up against tacit knowledge 
requirements for CMake without getting to any of the computer science stuff at 
all. That's the rank amateur level at which I am arriving here.)

You should consider me a complete noob with regard to this project.  It happens 
I have the kind of beginner's mind where I can turn what I learn as a noob into 
advice for other noobs and maybe leave better bread crumbs for those who 
follow.  But noob I am.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Kelly [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 08:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: svn commit: r1649986 - /incubator/corinthia/www/index.html

> On 7 Jan 2015, at 11:32 pm, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> +0
> 
> I'm not happy with this.  I feel completely frustrated with any ability to 
> contribute considering that we have no way to know the rules for working on 
> the site, the wiki is terrible, and there is no compartmentalization that 
> works for where work is needed and what is actually stable about stable.
> 
> Also, I think Peter assumes too much about my knowledge of the code and how 
> it works.  I have no working knowledge of the internals of AOO nor of 
> DocFormats. 

I’m very much aware this is a big problem at the moment. My #1 priority 
regarding my involvement in the project is to make it easier for others to get 
involved in actual development work - that includes documentation and 
assistance with tasks, e.g. the ODF filter which I’ve just posted about on the 
mailing list. Unfortunately my time is limited due to other work, but I see 
this as an important issue that I need to be addressing to the extent that I 
can.

There’s a *ton* of fascinating problems to solve here, both development and 
research :) I’d like us to get to the good stuff sooner rather than later. I’ll 
be posting more on the list when I get time about some of the design issues I’m 
aware of that I think we should discuss. An example is how we can remove the 
need for explicit id mapping between concrete and abstract documents by using a 
suitable diff algorithm to compute the set of changes. It’s stuff like that 
which is the real meat of this project, though unfortunately there is a rather 
steep learning curve. I hope we can try and flatten that curve a bit.

—
Dr Peter M. Kelly
[email protected]

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